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Post  cyprussyd on 2020-08-07, 2:37 pm

No matter what each of us think about the way the club is being run owners, directors management etc. We need to separate all these differences and get fully behind the team and performance on the field - we need to definitely get out of this league this year ...........
Clubs in League One and League Two have today voted for the introduction of new financial controls in the form of ‘Squad Salary Caps’ into their respective divisions which take effect immediately.
The decision follows extensive and comprehensive consultation with all Clubs in respect of addressing sustainability and wage inflation issues across the EFL which were initiated prior to the suspension of football in March following the COVID-19 outbreak and have continued during the course of the summer.
Those discussions culminated in today’s divisional vote, with representatives of League One and League Two Clubs opting to implement the new measures in place of the existing Salary Cost Management Protocols (SCMP), with fixed caps of £2.5million and £1.5million respectively.
Discussions continue with Championship Clubs in respect to amendments to their own financial controls. League One and Two Clubs are also going to continue discussions towards the introduction of additional measures aimed at addressing Club financial sustainability.
When calculating total salary spending, the ‘cap’ includes:
Basic Wages;
Taxes;
Bonuses;
Image rights;
Agents’ fees and;
Other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players.
Payments directly linked to a Club’s progression in cup competitions or promotion are excluded from the Cap, while any income generated from players going out on loan is deducted from the Club’s Salary Cap calculation.
Transition arrangements have been incorporated in respect of a Club’s squad salary cap calculation with the key element of these aimed at addressing committed contracts and relegated Clubs. Any contract entered into on or prior to today’s vote will be capped at an agreed divisional average until that contract expires. Moving forwards, Clubs that are relegated will be permitted to cap all contracts at the divisional average prior to the Club’s relegation until those contracts expire.
An ‘overrun’ concept is also included if a Club’s total squad salary payments exceed the Cap by up to 5%, whereby dependent on the percentage level of the overrun, a financial penalty would be payable for every £1 in excess. Clubs exceeding the ‘overrun’ would be referred to an Independent Disciplinary Commission, although the EFL will monitor the Cap on a real-time basis throughout the season as is the current position with SCMP measures across the two divisions. Where breaches do occur, sanction guidelines are in place to be considered as appropriate by an independent Disciplinary Commission.
EFL CEO, David Baldwin said: “The term ‘salary cap’ is an emotive one, creating the impression of a restrictive measure but we are clear in our view that this is neither the objective nor the likely effect of these changes to EFL Regulations. The financial impact of Covid-19 will be profound for EFL Clubs and today’s vote will help ensure Clubs cannot extend themselves to the point that could cause financial instability.

“Over the last two weeks the discussions amongst Clubs in both Leagues One and Two have been healthy and constructive, allowing us to reach a clear consensus today and I am pleased that the Clubs have determined to adopt the new approach. We will now work with all Clubs, the PFA and, where appropriate, other stakeholders to implement the new rules and continue our efforts to bring long-term sustainability to the EFL.”

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Post  cyprussyd on 2020-08-07, 4:46 pm

BREAKING: PFA says salary caps in Leagues One and Two are “unlawful and unenforceable” and has served notice of arbitration on the EFL.

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Post  Gordon Armstrong on 2020-08-07, 5:34 pm

That's better Wink
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Post  Mackemneil on 2020-08-07, 6:41 pm

cyprussyd wrote:BREAKING: PFA says salary caps in Leagues One and Two are “unlawful and unenforceable” and has served notice of arbitration on the EFL.
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A significant piece of work by the PFA

SAFC have increased the apparent disparity between revenue earned by league one clubs.
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Post  oxfordshire on 2020-08-08, 12:12 am

in my view this will give relegated clubs a big advantage.
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Post  Steve30000 on 2020-08-08, 6:28 am

So we can only pay our employees a wage that is approved by everyone else in the league.

Is it our fault that we can attract better players by being able to afford to pay them more?

Its like going to buy a car on finance and being told that you can't because other customers can't afford it.

Absolutely ridiculous
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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2020-08-08, 9:09 am

Syds second post would appear to be how it will play out and the status quo will prevail.

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Post  Steve30000 on 2020-08-08, 9:14 am

Black Cat Kiwi wrote:Syds second post would appear to be how it will play out and the status quo will prevail.

Hopefully. Its a ridiculous rule.. If you can't afford a players wages, then don't sign them, it should be up to the individual club to work out their own finances
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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2020-08-08, 10:41 am

Steve30000 wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:Syds second post would appear to be how it will play out and the status quo will prevail.

Hopefully. Its a ridiculous rule.. If you can't afford a players wages, then don't sign them, it should be up to the individual club to work out their own finances
Exactly BUT let's not hold our breath until the appeal is lodged and ruled on.

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Post  Steve30000 on 2020-08-08, 10:43 am

Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
Steve30000 wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:Syds second post would appear to be how it will play out and the status quo will prevail.

Hopefully. Its a ridiculous rule.. If you can't afford a players wages, then don't sign them, it should be up to the individual club to work out their own finances
Exactly BUT let's not hold our breath until the appeal is lodged and ruled on.

Seeing as they've lodged an injunction, surely this cap doesn't count until the case is heard?
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Post  oldblackcat on 2020-08-08, 10:48 am

So IF this wage cap is enforced, what happens if you get promoted to the Championship?

If you get promoted no matter how good you are you need to improve your team to compete and I can't see a good championship player signing for less wages...so, say you get promoted and sign 4 players on decent money (and if you do the other players will probably expect more money even if it's just for getting promoted) your wage bill increases, which is ok because there's no wage cap...but what happens if you get relegated? are you allowed a season to readjust your wage bill? If you aren't I can't see how it would work
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Post  Steve30000 on 2020-08-08, 10:52 am

oldblackcat wrote:So IF this wage cap is enforced, what happens if you get promoted to the Championship?

If you get promoted no matter how good you are you need to improve your team to compete and I can't see a good championship player signing for less wages...so, say you get promoted and sign 4 players on decent money (and if you do the other players will probably expect more money even if it's just for getting promoted) your wage bill increases, which is ok because there's no wage cap...but what happens if you get relegated? are you allowed a season to readjust your wage bill? If you aren't I can't see how it would work

Its just stupid.. They should base it on what the club can afford, like they have in place now... Scmp.. They base it on the income.. So why change it?

Its like telling a supermarket that they can only pay their staff what Mr bloggs at the corner shop can afford to pay his... Ludicrous
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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2020-08-08, 10:57 am

Steve30000 wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
Steve30000 wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:Syds second post would appear to be how it will play out and the status quo will prevail.

Hopefully. Its a ridiculous rule.. If you can't afford a players wages, then don't sign them, it should be up to the individual club to work out their own finances
Exactly BUT let's not hold our breath until the appeal is lodged and ruled on.

Seeing as they've lodged an injunction, surely this cap doesn't count until the case is heard?
A hard one unless someone reads all the rules to check but generally Common Law overrides any appeal so unless the Employment Law has changed in the UK it'll not pass scrutiny and the existing rules as applied last season would remain. Try as they might to rewrite them, Parliaments Laws trump all!

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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2020-08-08, 11:00 am

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oldblackcat wrote:So IF this wage cap is enforced, what happens if you get promoted to the Championship?

If you get promoted no matter how good you are you need to improve your team to compete and I can't see a good championship player signing for less wages...so, say you get promoted and sign 4 players on decent money (and if you do the other players will probably expect more money even if it's just for getting promoted) your wage bill increases, which is ok because there's no wage cap...but what happens if you get relegated? are you allowed a season to readjust your wage bill? If you aren't I can't see how it would work

Its just stupid.. They should base it on what the club can afford, like they have in place now... Scmp.. They base it on the income.. So why change it?

Its like telling a supermarket that they can only pay their staff what Mr bloggs at the corner shop can afford to pay his... Ludicrous
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Post  Steve30000 on 2020-08-08, 11:06 am

Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
Steve30000 wrote:
oldblackcat wrote:So IF this wage cap is enforced, what happens if you get promoted to the Championship?

If you get promoted no matter how good you are you need to improve your team to compete and I can't see a good championship player signing for less wages...so, say you get promoted and sign 4 players on decent money (and if you do the other players will probably expect more money even if it's just for getting promoted) your wage bill increases, which is ok because there's no wage cap...but what happens if you get relegated? are you allowed a season to readjust your wage bill? If you aren't I can't see how it would work

Its just stupid.. They should base it on what the club can afford, like they have in place now... Scmp.. They base it on the income.. So why change it?

Its like telling a supermarket that they can only pay their staff what Mr bloggs at the corner shop can afford to pay his... Ludicrous
Yip....but there not as smart as you Steve... rof

I reckon the rest of the clubs are just jealous of us, Portsmouth and Ipswich because our income is higher so we can afford to pay our players more.

Maybe they should chop our stadium in half, because its clearly unfair on the rest of the clubs that we can actually fill it and.... Gasp.... Make more money... Nooooo, that's not allowed.

Maybe we should get rid of our facilities and have portacabins instead of the AOL... Its just not right that we can offer potential signings such good training facilities, they should have to train on Barnes Park.

Its as daft as that.
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Post  barrowmackem on 2020-08-08, 12:08 pm

salary cap not for me, reason is i am not against clubs bettering themselves and generating income to pay higher wages and probably better players. I am against the money that is in football from TV etc  not distributed fairly down the pyramid. I get top teams argue its our product TV audiences want to watch but for the health of the game some of that money should be distributed more down the pyramid.


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Post  Steve30000 on 2020-08-08, 12:12 pm

barrowmackem wrote:salary cap not for me, reason is i am not against clubs bettering themselves and generating income to pay higher wages and probably better players. I am against the money that is in football from TV etc  not distributed fairly down the pyramid. I get top teams argue its or product TV audiences want to watch but for the health of the game some of that money should be distributed more down the pyramid.

Sky are the real problem, but they're too big to take on, so it's best to create stupid nonsensical rules in this league instead.

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Post  gil t azell on 2020-08-08, 1:47 pm

Steve30000 wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
Steve30000 wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:Syds second post would appear to be how it will play out and the status quo will prevail.

Hopefully. Its a ridiculous rule.. If you can't afford a players wages, then don't sign them, it should be up to the individual club to work out their own finances
Exactly BUT let's not hold our breath until the appeal is lodged and ruled on.

Seeing as they've lodged an injunction, surely this cap doesn't count until the case is heard?

That was my thoughts as well.
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Post  Steve30000 on 2020-08-08, 2:15 pm

gil t azell wrote:
Steve30000 wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
Steve30000 wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:Syds second post would appear to be how it will play out and the status quo will prevail.

Hopefully. Its a ridiculous rule.. If you can't afford a players wages, then don't sign them, it should be up to the individual club to work out their own finances
Exactly BUT let's not hold our breath until the appeal is lodged and ruled on.

Seeing as they've lodged an injunction, surely this cap doesn't count until the case is heard?

That was my thoughts as well.

No excuse not to crack on signing some players then? Great excuse for Donald though
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Post  Kipper on 2020-08-10, 10:59 am

Whilst I agree with the points Steve30000 and others have made on here, our wage bill has in the past been a burden on us with some very notable players earning way beyond their ability and effort. At least now it might limit the chances of signing a Will Grigg and trying to spend our way out of the division which hasn't worked. Spend the money instead on identifying and growing young talent in the academy.
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Post  Gordon Armstrong on 2020-08-10, 1:26 pm

Unfortunately, although I don't usually agree with it, spending our way out of this is by far the best option, Kipper, 'cos it could take many years using your alternative . . . . to a time that a few of us may well not see [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Post  Kipper on 2020-08-10, 2:45 pm

Gordon Armstrong wrote:Unfortunately, although I don't usually agree with it, spending our way out of this is by far the best option, Kipper, 'cos it could take many years using your alternative . . . . to a time that a few of us may well not see [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Yes that is the danger - it takes too long.

I'd just like to point out though that our best chance of getting promoted out of league 1 would have been by retaining an academy player (Maja). Our alternative was to spend big on Grigg. The strategy failed.

I wonder what the wages for Danny Graham will be - he won't be on League 1 wages at the moment. I'd rather have someone younger, hungrier who might demand less wage and could get us a decent sale further down the line as well. That type of strategy should be happening whether or not we're subject to the cap though.
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