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Post  wanderer on 2019-12-09, 7:20 pm

Pre/early season the majority of our fans were united in saying it was the build up of games because of cup success that led to our missing out on promotion, And as such wanted us to concentrate on promotion and exit the cups early. ok so far.
Parky came in at the start of a run of cup games, used them to look at the squad. And as the fans had earlier said exit the cups early we duly did and went out of them all.
Now you cant have your cake and eat it, we went out of all the cup competitions and the same fans are going ape shit because of all the defeats Parky has had. So my question is WTF do they want.
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Post  Steve30000 on 2019-12-09, 7:31 pm

How many league games have we lost?
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Post  trouble_n_stripes on 2019-12-09, 7:44 pm

wanderer wrote:Pre/early season the majority of our fans were united in saying it was the build up of games because of cup success that led to our missing out on promotion, And as such wanted us to concentrate on promotion and exit the cups early. ok so far.
Parky came in at the start of a run of cup games, used them to look at the squad. And as the fans had earlier said exit the cups early we duly did and went out of them all.
Now you cant have your cake and eat it, we went out of all the cup competitions and the same fans are going ape shit because of all the defeats Parky has had. So my question is WTF do they want.
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We were doing better league wise last season despite the cup matches, but those prolonged cup matches did affect our league performances, obviously.

That's why imo we are better out of the cup games but that hasn't reflected thus far on the progress of us getting out of this league unfortunately, why?
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Post  Steve30000 on 2019-12-09, 9:17 pm

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2hrs 11 mins into that, its about parkinson.
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Post  Guest on 2019-12-09, 9:24 pm

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That's why imo we are better out of the cup games but that hasn't reflected thus far on the progress of us getting out of this league unfortunately, why?

because we got rid of a number of decent players in the off season (mostly for wage related reasons) and replaced them with various loan signings and the like so the squad is clearly worse than it was last season and yet somehow we are expecting to do better - which seems odd
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Post  Steve30000 on 2019-12-09, 9:31 pm

The team is still made up of those who had us chasing the top two positions last season.

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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2019-12-09, 9:49 pm

Steve30000 wrote:The team is still made up of those who had us chasing the top two positions last season.

Base salary still far to high & win bonus far to low. The players are NEVER out on their legs.

Ps. The lino's probably run as far as some of ours.

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Post  Guest on 2019-12-09, 11:19 pm

Steve30000 wrote:The team is still made up of those who had us chasing the top two positions last season.


except for Cattermole and Honeyman and Oviedo - replaced by...?
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Post  Hieronymus on 2019-12-09, 11:30 pm

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That's why imo we are better out of the cup games but that hasn't reflected thus far on the progress of us getting out of this league unfortunately, why?

because we got rid of a number of decent players in the off season (mostly for wage related reasons) and replaced them with various loan signings and the like so the squad is clearly worse than it was last season and yet somehow we are expecting to do better - which seems odd
Far too sensible an observation for most people - not on here - I mean generally Laughing
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Post  Steve30000 on 2019-12-09, 11:47 pm

Doesn't take much to get out of this league, but we're determined to make it look impossible.

I see a few fans ambitions on here have been knocked down a peg or two.

Well done to the owner, he's finally getting the fans to come down to his level
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Post  Kipper on 2019-12-10, 9:27 am

wanderer wrote:Pre/early season the majority of our fans were united in saying it was the build up of games because of cup success that led to our missing out on promotion, And as such wanted us to concentrate on promotion and exit the cups early. ok so far.
Parky came in at the start of a run of cup games, used them to look at the squad. And as the fans had earlier said exit the cups early we duly did and went out of them all.
Now you cant have your cake and eat it, we went out of all the cup competitions and the same fans are going ape shit because of all the defeats Parky has had. So my question is WTF do they want.
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Really odd question that has already been answered. The league form is crap as well and the performances have got worse. Are you surprised people are kicking off? Maybe Parkinson is a decent manager who can't do much with this squad (that makes Ross a genius for what he did). Then again perhaps Parkinson is just rubbish. Either way, the trajectory is downhill at the moment.

Despite your multitude of posts recentty Wanderer, I'm still not sure I get where you're coming from or what your view point is. What do you think needs to change at the club or are you OK as is? You were vociferous in wanting rid of Ross but seem to have a poke at anyone who wants rid of Parkinson. Are you thinking a change of ownership is needed? A Director of Football? Plenty of good solutions have been posted on the forum? What do you think, or do you just want an argument with Steve3000? Fine if that's the case, it keeps me amused Laughing .
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Post  Kipper on 2019-12-10, 9:42 am

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Post  wanderer on 2019-12-10, 10:39 am

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wanderer wrote:Pre/early season the majority of our fans were united in saying it was the build up of games because of cup success that led to our missing out on promotion, And as such wanted us to concentrate on promotion and exit the cups early. ok so far.
Parky came in at the start of a run of cup games, used them to look at the squad. And as the fans had earlier said exit the cups early we duly did and went out of them all.
Now you cant have your cake and eat it, we went out of all the cup competitions and the same fans are going ape shit because of all the defeats Parky has had. So my question is WTF do they want.
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Really odd question that has already been answered. The league form is crap as well and the performances have got worse. Are you surprised people are kicking off? Maybe Parkinson is a decent manager who can't do much with this squad (that makes Ross a genius for what he did). Then again perhaps Parkinson is just rubbish. Either way, the trajectory is downhill at the moment.

Despite your multitude of posts recentty Wanderer, I'm still not sure I get where you're coming from or what your view point is. What do you think needs to change at the club or are you OK as is? You were vociferous in wanting rid of Ross but seem to have a poke at anyone who wants rid of Parkinson. Are you thinking a change of ownership is needed? A Director of Football? Plenty of good solutions have been posted on the forum? What do you think, or do you just want an argument with Steve3000? Fine if that's the case, it keeps me amused Laughing .
Please don't get me wrong  Kipper, I am quite flexible. I can argue with you also, no problem.
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Post  Hieronymus on 2019-12-10, 10:48 am

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Post  wanderer on 2019-12-10, 11:10 am

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OMG - I love stats and graphs and thatreally paints a picture that no one wants to see! Crying or Very sad
Well that graph also shows just as bad a dip pre Parky, funny eh.
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Post  Kipper on 2019-12-10, 11:59 am

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Well that graph also shows just as bad a dip pre Parky, funny eh.
Doesn't it show a general upward trend from Ross this season and then a general downward trend from Parkinson?
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Post  Guest on 2019-12-10, 9:21 pm

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Well that graph also shows just as bad a dip pre Parky, funny eh.
Doesn't it show a general upward trend from Ross this season and then a general downward trend from Parkinson?

I think it just shows a general downward trend ever since we entered L1 - which is not that surprising given the squad has been steadily depleted and worsened since we got here (for obvious reasons)
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Post  Hieronymus on 2019-12-12, 12:12 am

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Well that graph also shows just as bad a dip pre Parky, funny eh.
Doesn't it show a general upward trend from Ross this season and then a general downward trend from Parkinson?

I think it just shows a general downward trend ever since we entered L1 - which is not that surprising given the squad has been steadily depleted and worsened since we got here (for obvious reasons)
That was what I picked up and the fact that the general trend is also headed towards yet more relegation form Sad
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