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Post  wanderer on 2019-11-27, 8:35 am

4 games in December then the transfer window opens. will we spend will it be early or do the usual and wait for the last day cheapies. I thought we had hit the bottom, but apparently not.
I am not going to play the blame game, its futile to do so.
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Post  Kipper on 2019-11-27, 8:49 am

wanderer wrote:4 games in December then the transfer window opens. will we spend will it be early or do the usual and wait for the last day cheapies. I thought we had hit the bottom, but apparently not.
I am not going to play the blame game, its futile to do so.
I'd forget the playoffs if I were you. We have got worse under Parkinson. Last night was abysmal. Utter garbage. Something has to change and I can't see decent players queing up in January to join us.
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Post  Hieronymus on 2019-11-27, 8:55 am

Kipper wrote:
wanderer wrote:4 games in December then the transfer window opens. will we spend will it be early or do the usual and wait for the last day cheapies. I thought we had hit the bottom, but apparently not.
I am not going to play the blame game, its futile to do so.
I'd forget the playoffs if I were you. We have got worse under Parkinson. Last night was abysmal. Utter garbage. Something has to change and I can't see decent players queing up in January to join us.
I agree with both of you - listening on the radio I had brief hope when we got the penalty and the fans did try to get behind the team at times, but after giving away a goal immediately after we scored I knew we would lose the game. No idea where to go from here Crying or Very sad
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Post  trouble_n_stripes on 2019-11-27, 9:14 am

Well you can basically say Bolton and Southend are down so that leaves one spot.

Can't see us making the play offs, mid table at best but relegation a reality on these latest performances.

Most of these players are JR's signings are they not?

This will be no quick fix for sure and recruitment in January will not make much difference to where we are at now.

We are just, unfortunately a badly run club have been for a few seasons now.
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Post  wanderer on 2019-11-27, 3:05 pm

I am finding it hard to think of anything to say in support of Parky, obviously. But I still think it was right to get rid of Ross, but he should have gone straight after the playoff final. Its quite right to say we are in a mess a f*cking big one at that.
All we hear is he is shit that one is shit and they are shit. Who brought them here, cant blame Parky for that. No, what is wrong here is much deeper than that. Can Donald sort it im not sure.
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Post  maghater on 2019-11-27, 6:15 pm

I keep hearing folk saying hang in until the January window opens, but do we have any money to attract even half decent division 3 players? We certainly don't have any assets to sell to finance any dealings. Clubs aren't going to sell to us cheaply, look at the Will Grigg fiasco. Worrying times.
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Post  Nostalgic on 2019-11-27, 6:30 pm

maghater wrote:I keep hearing folk saying hang in until the January window opens, but do we have any money to attract even half decent division 3 players? We certainly don't have any assets to sell to finance any dealings. Clubs aren't going to sell to us cheaply, look at the Will Grigg fiasco. Worrying times.
Just about says it all for me.  Except at my age there is not a lot that SAFC can do to knock more stuffing out of me. In my case I am beyond the worrying stage and have become almost disinterested.

Without getting too far into the nuts and bolts for fear of repetition,  the owners could prove to be the weakest link.
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Post  fitz on 2019-11-28, 12:53 am

trouble_n_stripes wrote:Most of these players are JR's signings are they not?

JR was in charge from May 2018 - October 2019

in the 18/19 season we signed players costing a total of approx £4m with nearly all of that being spent on Grigg.... we sold players and raised approx. £23m so a net of +£19m with most of the signings being loans or free transfers

in the 19/20 season we have spent nothing / nada /zilch and sold players for approx. £2m (with 2 of our few remaining decent quality players going on free transfers due to wage issues)

so if over two seasons we sell £25m worth of players and spend £4m then its not really surprising if the quality of the squad dips massively - so while JR has brought in most of the squad (and they are certainly failing to rip up the league) they are nearly all loans or free transfers and players other teams didn't want - who exactly was he supposed to bring in with no funds available to him that was going to turn the club around?

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Post  Rovertsafc on 2019-11-30, 1:04 pm

Mid table for us I'm afraid.
Was there v Burton and as Gary Bennet stated that night on the radio who will want any of our present squad and not until you ship some out will they be replaced he also said the team has got no real pace running through the squad and why are we playing long ball football to a striker of Griggs stature.
And just to add a mate of mine who supports Bolton told me Parkinson games is quick long ball football.
So the future is not bright with this manager
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Post  gil t azell on 2019-11-30, 2:41 pm

I seem to recall a certain bloke took us over at Xmas one time and we were bottom of the league. We got promoted. Still loads of time to sort it out.

I am more for blaming the players as opposed to the manager at the moment. He has either inherited a poor team, a dispirited team or the players are complete w*nkers, totally unprofessional and not trying.  At this time I am opting for the latter.

Do we not even give the bloke a transfer window. He has already said he wants players coming in with pace and power. My God that is far too sensible. Every fan knows that is what we have needed for a long long time.

At the moment and for the foreseeable future I am a Parky in.
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Post  Vincemac on 2019-11-30, 2:58 pm

gil t azell wrote:I seem to recall a certain bloke took us over at Xmas one time and we were bottom of the league. We got promoted. Still loads of time to sort it out.

I am more for blaming the players as opposed to the manager at the moment. He has either inherited a poor team, a dispirited team or the players are complete w*nkers, totally unprofessional and not trying.  At this time I am opting for the latter.

Do we not even give the bloke a transfer window. He has already said he wants players coming in with pace and power. My God that is far too sensible. Every fan knows that is what we have needed for a long long time.

At the moment and for the foreseeable future I am a Parky in.
Yeh 
However the so called strikers we have given the opportunity to
Are useless 
We need rid of them and some new ones 
It dosnt look like there going to be any good anyway
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Post  gil t azell on 2019-11-30, 8:08 pm

Vincemac wrote:
gil t azell wrote:I seem to recall a certain bloke took us over at Xmas one time and we were bottom of the league. We got promoted. Still loads of time to sort it out.

I am more for blaming the players as opposed to the manager at the moment. He has either inherited a poor team, a dispirited team or the players are complete w*nkers, totally unprofessional and not trying.  At this time I am opting for the latter.

Do we not even give the bloke a transfer window. He has already said he wants players coming in with pace and power. My God that is far too sensible. Every fan knows that is what we have needed for a long long time.

At the moment and for the foreseeable future I am a Parky in.
Yeh 
However the so called strikers we have given the opportunity to
Are useless 
We need rid of them and some new ones 
It dosnt look like there going to be any good anyway
Toatally agree they are useless (or not trying, in Griggs case never has) hence I say we give him this transfer window at least.
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Post  Vincemac on 2019-11-30, 8:50 pm

gil t azell wrote:
Vincemac wrote:
gil t azell wrote:I seem to recall a certain bloke took us over at Xmas one time and we were bottom of the league. We got promoted. Still loads of time to sort it out.

I am more for blaming the players as opposed to the manager at the moment. He has either inherited a poor team, a dispirited team or the players are complete w*nkers, totally unprofessional and not trying.  At this time I am opting for the latter.

Do we not even give the bloke a transfer window. He has already said he wants players coming in with pace and power. My God that is far too sensible. Every fan knows that is what we have needed for a long long time.

At the moment and for the foreseeable future I am a Parky in.
Yeh 
However the so called strikers we have given the opportunity to
Are useless 
We need rid of them and some new ones 
It dosnt look like there going to be any good anyway
Toatally agree they are useless (or not trying, in Griggs case never has) hence I say we give him this transfer window at least.
Yeh some on has to have a window and why not him
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Post  Steve30000 on 2019-12-01, 6:59 pm

Aye, let him bring in players who are more used to playing his hoof ball.

What a good idea
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Post  Nostalgic on 2019-12-01, 8:02 pm

Steve30000 wrote:Aye, let him bring in players who are more used to playing his hoof ball.

What a good idea
I'll settle for any style if it gets us out of this league.
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Post  canary-dave on 2019-12-01, 8:09 pm

Nostalgic wrote:
Steve30000 wrote:Aye, let him bring in players who are more used to playing his hoof ball.

What a good idea
I'll settle for any style if it gets us out of this league.

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Post  wanderer on 2019-12-01, 8:54 pm

Trouble is, we have players used to wide attacking with overlapping fullbacks. And a manager who prefers long ball game. Result chaos.
Something has to give. PDQ.
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Post  Steve30000 on 2019-12-01, 9:30 pm

The hoofball tactic will get us nowhere near promotion.
The defenders in this league are used to it, getting crosses in, and passing it along the ground is a better tactic to aim to get promoted.

This hoof style will get us closer to the bottom
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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2019-12-03, 3:41 am

Steve30000 wrote:The hoofball tactic will get us nowhere near promotion.
The defenders in this league are used to it, getting crosses in, and passing it along the ground is a better tactic to aim to get promoted.

This hoof style will get us closer to the bottom
Unfortunately this is the way UK players play & given the pressure to win, acceptance of patient procession based football is rare outside of the EPL. Pacey players onto through balls or set-pieces for the CB's to attack dominates  Crying or Very sad

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