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Post  cyprussyd on 2019-05-28, 9:49 pm


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Post  cyprussyd on 2019-05-29, 4:01 pm

Well I am sure that you will have all listened to the podcast, I listened at 2 in the morning, there is always time for those who want to.

So what are your views on..


  • Ellis Short now after Charlies comments?
  • The surprise clause in the Khazri deal?
  • The deal to off load Kone?
  • The clubs finances after Donald's honest explanation?
  • Next season's targets?
  • Future investors?

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Post  Hieronymus on 2019-05-29, 11:08 pm

I am not one for podcasts - preferring to read stuff than listen - but the Chronicle have written an article about it.

Still think they made a mistake with Maja, would like to keep Mcgeady and Oviedo - but that fact that Oviedo's wages would pay for 4-5 League One players shows why he will probably leave. We still have far to go to balance the books as our accounts show, despite all the good work this year. Thought the Liverpool arrangement shows good sense and I think Lee Cattermole deserves a testimonial.

Stewart Donald on Roker Rapport podcast: 11 key issues that were covered by the Sunderland owner

Sunderland owner Stewart Donald and his right-hand man Charlie Methven were on Roker Rapport podcast on Tuesday and spoke on a number of issues at the club
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  • 13:00, 29 MAY 2019
  • Updated13:03, 29 MAY 2019

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Sunderland owner Stewart Donald and executive director Charlie Methven were on the Roker Rapport podcast on Tuesday.
Just days removed from the heartbreak at Wembley, the pair were still raw but tried to dissect the Black Cats' campaign and where it went wrong as best they could.
Naturally though, given recent reports of investment and club finances, a lot of the discussion with the owner centred around the club behind the scenes and off the field.

You can listen to the over-two-hour-long podcast on AcastiTunesSpotify, & YouTube, but below we have summarised the 11 key points and issues that were discussed.

Stewart Donald is still up for the fight - and believes Jack Ross is too

Nobody - not Jack Ross and certainly not Stewart Donald - believes failing to get promotion is anything but a failure this season.
And Donald's disappointment and deflation was clear as he spoke on the podcast about how all of his hard work has ultimately not paid off.
But the one thing that Donald was also insistent that there was no time for moping. His hard work has only just begun, he said, and his goal now is to continue to do his utmost to help Sunderland continue to progress.
What's more, Donald again put his backing behind manager Jack Ross and explained why he believes the Scot is the right man to take the club back up next season.

They didn't want to take a risk with Josh Maja

January was a big month in Sunderland's season and as the owner mulled over what went wrong, the winter transfer window, and in particular, Josh Maja's departure came up.
Donald pondered whether it had been an error to let Maja go, and whether ultimately they should have forced him to stay until the end of the season.
Donald said that the young striker had made his mind up that his future wasn't at Sunderland and even if they'd forced him to stay, he could have signed a contract in January with Bordeaux which would have meant he went in the summer.
He said it wasn't a financial decision to sell the top goalscorer, but rather they just didn't want to take the risk of retaining a player who ultimately might not give 100% if he already knows he will be elsewhere next season. He said Maja wanted to go and play football right away with the team his future was with.

Aiden McGeady's future

While defending Jack Ross, Stewart Donald made an interesting claim on star man Aiden McGeady.
Donald conceded that keeping the Irishman might be tough this summer given his incredible form, but promised to do all in his power to keep him at the club.
It is Donald's belief that key to keeping the 33-year-old is Ross still being at the club next season.

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How big an impact selling Bryan Oviedo could have

Bryan Oviedo is one of the top earners at Sunderland and they will ideally sell him this summer, having came close to offloading him in January.
Oviedo isn't one of the Premier League-era players to down tools and show a terrible attitude. But exactly why they hope to get him off the books this summer.
Methven claimed during the podcast that his wages would fund four or five League One quality players' wages this summer.
Donald insists that financially, the club don't have to sell Oviedo or any other top earner, but as long as the details of the transfer are in Sunderland's favour, there are obvious benefits to selling.

Out of contract players updates


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There was an update on many of the players out of contract this summer, ahead of the club's official retained list being announced.
Donald revealed that Embleton has been offered a new deal and he's hopeful the England youth international will sign it. Benji Kimpioka still has 12 months to run on his deal, with they've offered the Swede a new deal too, in the hope of avoiding another Maja situation down the line. In both cases he was keen to point out that neither player is yet to agree the deal for money reasons and he doesn't believe either is being a 'mercenary' looking for more money.
It was confirmed that Robbin Ruiter will leave, Reece James has an option to stay another 12 months if he wants, while Donald is open to giving Adam Matthews a new deal, but is yet to speak to Jack Ross about that.

Still work to be done off the pitch

Charlie Methven spoke about the hard work that Donald and co. have put in off the field in the last 12 months to try and make Sunderland more sustainable in terms of running as a business.
Methven revealed that they inherited projected revenues of £15.5m, but actually made over £19m last season.
The outgoing costs were dramatically slashed too from a projected £54m, but that was actually only £34m.
That must have taken a lot of work to cut those costs, but it also shows there is still work to be done because the difference is still -£15m.

Why Stewart Donald will stay on Twitter

Donald got quite irate as he discussed his use of social media. He says he has considered coming off Twitter because to his face Sunderland fans are always lovely and courteous, but he can often receive abuse on Twitter, and he also gets frustrated when he sees people accuse him of things and present them as facts when they don't know them to be facts. He pointed out Gordon Armstrong's recent accusation of the club only having one scout, or recent accusations he was looking to sell-up and leave after using the parachute payments to sell the club. He called both 'absolute tosh'.
He says he has considered coming off Twitter but says he then can't use it for good, like interacting with supporters who need help, like the ones whose coach broke down on the way to Southend or the way to Wembley.
It's helping supporters that make him stay on Twitter, he said.

Parachute payments

The use of Sunderland's parachute payments has been a big topic lately, and Donald was keen to discuss those on the podcast.
He said that reports he's taken all of the parachute payments is 'nonsense', and says any future parachute payment money due to come in to the club is not spent or promised elsewhere. About £11m is still due from the Premier League.
As for the way he bought the club, he says that the Daily Mail only saw the security sheet because the payments for the bank loan were secured against the parachute payments, and then also the accounts, which only went up until July. Donald had paid £5m by then, but the other £10m was due by September.
Things went better than expected and he wasn't required to put as much as £10m in September, but has put money in to cover cash flow and things like the Will Grigg transfer as and when required.

Why youngsters are leaving for Liverpool

Donald discussed accusations in the Daily Mail that the club's academy was under threat and said it was false and the club has category one status secure for next season.
He did confirm that two youngsters are leaving for Liverpool but in both cases the club were powerless.
Both players are under 17 and therefore the club cannot offer them contracts and Liverpool are within the rules to take them.
Sunderland would be due compensation, but rather than complicate matters, Donald says he has negotiated with Liverpool to have add-ons and sell-on bonuses included in the deals.
He says it also results in a better working relationship with Liverpool that could result in Sunderland getting players from Liverpool in the future.

Potential investors

Donald spoke about potential investors at the club, but reiterated that he is planning to stay at the club.
He says he has about four five interested parties that he has spoken to, but has seen no proof of funds yet from any.
But they are not looking to sell and walk away and Methven says it should be seen as a positive that so many people are interested in investing their money in the club now, because it speaks volumes about the direction the club is now going in.
He is looking for investment because he wants to take the club to the Championship, and even the Premier League, and can see how much would be needed to do that. He only has so much of his own money that he can put it, and that's why they need investors to protect the long-term future.

Lee Cattermole


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The midfielder will celebrate ten years at the club this summer and a lot of talk has been around whether he will get a testimonial.
Donald said that he's uncertain on the rules, but does hope to stage one and believes that he does deserve one.
He said that they have plans already for one pre-season friendly at home, so he wonders whether it's worth hijacking that for Cattermole's testimonial.
You can listen to the full podcast with Donald and his right-hand man Charlie Methven on the following platforms: ITUNES , ACAST , SPOTIFY , or YOUTUBE.
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Post  fitz on 2019-05-30, 10:51 pm

it's good that they take the time to do these things.

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Post  oldblackcat on 2019-05-31, 10:31 am

Well listened to this long podcast in stages so I can now answer Sid's questions.....

Seems like we owe Ellis Short a huge thank you..... whatever you thought of him at the time if it wasn't for the amount of money he put in the club and the debt he wrote off the club could have been put into administration and heading into obscurity.

The Khazri money is welcome funds for next season...here's to more clauses in deals (like the ones set up for the youngsters being signed by Liverpool) where we get some financial reward back.Seems like we missed a trick doing this in the past.

Kone in my mind (although he's never said it) has never wanted to be here since he didn't get his move to Everton.Although we take a big loss on the fee we paid for him any deal we get to offload him is a good one.

The clubs finances seem to be healthy and it is good news that the club has been turned around from losing money to a position to actually making money.The explanation to the Mails claim that all the parachute payments were used to buy the club seem to be well wide of the mark after listening to Stewart Donald which is why they are about to be sued.

To move forward as a club promotion has to be achieved this season. 100 points and automatic promotion wont be easy but I think the manager (with a couple of additions to the squad) and the players should be able to achieve this.

Nice to know that there are already people out there willing to invest but even better that we are looking for the right investor's,as in not just looking at the cash they want to put in but how the club would benefit from having them on board.After all anyone could put a large amount of money in but if we spend high on transfers and wages we would end up back in the same position we were before Donald & co took over unless things are balanced out with income.

All in all after listening to this podcast I feel more confident things are only going to get better for the club,a sensible approach moneywise just needs to be complimented by success on the pitch and I can only see good times ahead.
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Post  Hieronymus on 2019-05-31, 11:05 am

oldblackcat wrote:Well listened to this long podcast in stages so I can now answer Sid's questions.....

Seems like we owe Ellis Short a huge thank you..... whatever you thought of him at the time if it wasn't for the amount of money he put in the club and the debt he wrote off the club could have been put into administration and heading into obscurity.

The Khazri money is welcome funds for next season...here's to more clauses in deals (like the ones set up for the youngsters being signed by Liverpool) where we get some financial reward back.Seems like we missed a trick doing this in the past.

Kone in my mind (although he's never said it) has never wanted to be here since he didn't get his move to Everton.Although we take a big loss on the fee we paid for him any deal we get to offload him is a good one.

The clubs finances seem to be healthy and it is good news that the club has been turned around from losing money to a position to actually making money.The explanation to the Mails claim that all the parachute payments were used to buy the club seem to be well wide of the mark after listening to Stewart Donald which is why they are about to be sued.

To move forward as a club promotion has to be achieved this season. 100 points and automatic promotion wont be easy but I think the manager (with a couple of additions to the squad) and the players should be able to achieve this.

Nice to know that there are already people out there willing to invest but even better that we are looking for the right investor's,as in not just looking at the cash they want to put in but how the club would benefit from having them on board.After all anyone could put a large amount of money in but if we spend high on transfers and wages we would end up back in the same position we were before Donald & co took over unless things are balanced out with income.

All in all after listening to this podcast I feel more confident things are only going to get better for the club,a sensible approach moneywise just needs to be complimented by success on the pitch and I can only see good times ahead.
Thanks for that good thoughtful summary. I am confident too - after the 1998 heartbreak we bounced back and stormed the league - we need to do the same this season.
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Post  Vincemac on 2019-05-31, 12:35 pm

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oldblackcat wrote:Well listened to this long podcast in stages so I can now answer Sid's questions.....

Seems like we owe Ellis Short a huge thank you..... whatever you thought of him at the time if it wasn't for the amount of money he put in the club and the debt he wrote off the club could have been put into administration and heading into obscurity.

The Khazri money is welcome funds for next season...here's to more clauses in deals (like the ones set up for the youngsters being signed by Liverpool) where we get some financial reward back.Seems like we missed a trick doing this in the past.

Kone in my mind (although he's never said it) has never wanted to be here since he didn't get his move to Everton.Although we take a big loss on the fee we paid for him any deal we get to offload him is a good one.

The clubs finances seem to be healthy and it is good news that the club has been turned around from losing money to a position to actually making money.The explanation to the Mails claim that all the parachute payments were used to buy the club seem to be well wide of the mark after listening to Stewart Donald which is why they are about to be sued.

To move forward as a club promotion has to be achieved this season. 100 points and automatic promotion wont be easy but I think the manager (with a couple of additions to the squad) and the players should be able to achieve this.

Nice to know that there are already people out there willing to invest but even better that we are looking for the right investor's,as in not just looking at the cash they want to put in but how the club would benefit from having them on board.After all anyone could put a large amount of money in but if we spend high on transfers and wages we would end up back in the same position we were before Donald & co took over unless things are balanced out with income.

All in all after listening to this podcast I feel more confident things are only going to get better for the club,a sensible approach moneywise just needs to be complimented by success on the pitch and I can only see good times ahead.
Thanks for that good thoughtful summary. I am confident too - after the 1998 heartbreak we bounced back and stormed the league - we need to do the same this season.
Yeh but we had a good team 1998
I don’t see any comparisons
I just hope we can move on the poor players we have and get some reasonable 
Quality in 
Hit the ground running and storm the league 
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