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Post  Hieronymus on 2018-12-10, 11:36 am

The Netflix production is released on Friday and this is the trailer - I am fairly sure it is going to be a difficult watch to be honest - less than two minutes has reduced me to tears!

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Post  Kipper on 2018-12-10, 2:14 pm

Hieronymus wrote:The Netflix production is released on Friday and this is the trailer - I am fairly sure it is going to be a difficult watch to be honest - less than two minutes has reduced me to tears!

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I won't be watching - I'm sure it will be interesting and insightful but I don't want to revisit last year, I've moved on.
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Post  gil t azell on 2018-12-10, 6:03 pm

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Hieronymus wrote:The Netflix production is released on Friday and this is the trailer - I am fairly sure it is going to be a difficult watch to be honest - less than two minutes has reduced me to tears!

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I won't be watching - I'm sure it will be interesting and insightful but I don't want to revisit last year, I've moved on.
I'm with you on this one Kipper.
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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2018-12-10, 10:14 pm

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Post  Hieronymus on 2018-12-11, 8:33 pm

This is a good review - might have to watch this after all.

Sunderland's Netflix documentary is so much more than just a tale of woe and relegation


Craig Johns reviews the upcoming Netflix documentary series Sunderland Til I Die and explains why Black Cats fans will still enjoy it

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Considering just how disastrous the 2017-18 season was for Sunderland AFC, their supporters could be forgiven for thinking they will pass on reliving it through the upcoming Netflix documentary.
The eight-part series launches this Friday - December 14 - and will go behind-the-scenes during one of the worst seasons in the Black Cats' history.
So will watching the documentary be like some form of sadomasochism for Sunderland fans?
Actually it's the opposite.
The conclusion of the documentary, which Netflix gave ChronicleLive exclusive early access to, left me with a sense of pride and a newfound love of the club's extremely passionate fanbase. It made me proud of the city I was born in and grateful for the working-class roots which are instilled in me and so many hard-working people whose lives we get a little insight into during the series.
Having attended the premiere at Sunderland Empire last week, a friend of mine asked: "Is it strange that I felt a little emotional after watching that?"
Absolutely not. The series is shrouded in passion and emotion throughout. It's one of the many fantastic ways that producers Fulwell73 have captured Sunderland AFC and what it is like to support the club. The passion, the love, the significance. It is deeply moving.
It's so much more than just a football documentary.
Explaining why fans feature so heavily throughout, as does the history and culture of the city, executive producer Ben Turner told me: "Reflecting the passionate fans and the city and its history and culture was always going to be a big part of the documentary. That was important for us.
“When you start a project like this you think about what the relevance is going to be to elevate it beyond just a club shop DVD.
“To get it on Netflix we need to reach an international audience, and the opportunity for us was to put on screen what it is that we really love about the football club that we’ve followed all of our lives.
“I think there’s a resonance in the modern world, with politics with Brexit and Trump and all that, these communities that seem to be a little left behind and forgotten about. Sunderland can definitely fall into that.

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“So what the club represents to that city goes way beyond winning on a football pitch. Partly because sadly they don’t win on the football pitch very often, but also partly because of the way that the community is.
“So the opportunity for us across the eight episodes was to really try and give the sense of what that football club is to the people because that’s more interesting to people than what tactics are they going to be playing week in, week out, I think.”
Fulwell73 capture that excellently througout. It should be noted that they are Sunderland supporters - as their name suggests. They've worked on documentaries with sporting legends such as David Beckham, Usain Bolt and Sir Mo Farah, but Sunderland Til I Die was an altogether more personal project for them.
That is reflected in what unfolds.
Sure, there will be plenty to be embarrassed, sad and even angry about. In the most part all of those emotions are drawn up from the action on the pitch, or the lack of it in the boardroom.
But in general, the production captures life as a Sunderland supporter perfectly, and will serve as a representation to a global audience of what makes Sunderland AFC such a special football club.


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They have access to so much too. From interviewing chief executive Martin Bain often, to also highlighting the hard work of people behind the scenes who work for the club but are Sunderland born and bred and genuinely care, the access is unique and unlike anything you would usually get to see.
One thing they do lack though, for anybody who watched the recent Manchester City Amazon Prime documentary, is dressing room footage. It's notable that cameras obviously weren't allowed everywhere like they were for Pep Guardiola's team talks. But in truth, they were very sanitised and likely set-up for the cameras so we probably don't miss much for not having that access, as nice as it would have been if genuine.
If nothing else, the many, many mistakes and bad fortune you will see throughout the documentary will just serve to make you even more thankful for new owner Stewart Donald, who makes a brief appearance in episode eight to give the series its brighter, hopeful conclusion.
Sunderland Til I Die might follow the club during one of its toughest seasons in recent history, but somehow you emerge from it feeling prouder than ever to be part of the red-and-white army. I'd encourage every Sunderland fan to watch it.

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Post  Kipper on 2018-12-12, 3:41 pm

Sunderland ‘Til I Die shows all that is right and wrong in English football
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A sense of loss is all-pervading in a Netflix series chronicling Sunderland’s relegation into League One but, throughout, a sense of optimism shines out from most fans
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It’s the hope that kills them, Sunderland fans can handle the despair. And it is a prevailing sense of hope that percolates throughout all eight episodes of a new behind-the-scenes documentary chronicling the club’s relegation to the third tier of English football last season. Throughout a preposterously chaotic campaign, even by the standards of a club long considered utterly dysfunctional, Sunderland’s fans remain surprisingly upbeat, despite having grown wearily accustomed to coping with apparently bottomless levels of crushing disappointment.

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Commissioned by Netflix, Sunderland ’Til I Die is a love letter to a city on its knees and the conspicuously wayward child its citizens cannot bring themselves to disown, despite its proclivity for repeatedly letting them down. Even as tears and booze flow during a maudlin pub sing-song following relegation to League One, the mood among locals is one of hope things will ultimately get better because, well … they cannot get much worse.
The series was produced by Fulwell 73, a company owned by Sunderland fans done good and named after a stand at Roker Park, the club’s former ground, along with a nod to their famous FA Cup win. Having expressed an interest in buying the club before shelving their plans, they were invited to film a documentary by the since departed American owner Ellis Short in the hope of creating the kind of buzz that might generate interest among other prospective purchasers. While they were granted astonishing behind-the-scenes access, viewers hoping for the kind of foul-mouthed dressing-room rants with which Peter Reid famously punctuated Premier Passions, the BBC programmes on the club’s 1996-97 relegation from the Premier League, will be disappointed.

The transformation of Jason Steele from optimistic new arrival to tearful hologram is little short of harrowing

The documentary begins in the considerably more genteel environs of a church, St Mary’s, where local padre Father Marc Lyden-Smith and his congregation are filmed appealing to God to grant the club’s players “self-belief and a spirit of confidence because the success of our team leads to the success and prosperity of our city”. While their exhortations prove too tall an order even for the big man upstairs, this correlation between the well-being of the club and its locale remains a recurring theme. The opening credits, soundtracked by the song Shipyards from local band The Lake Poets, harks back to the city’s industrial past.


“Everybody in Sunderland has got a relation who’s either worked in the shipyards or worked in the pits, everybody,” says Peter Farrer on a drive through the city. “And unfortunately those jobs have gone. Not many people have had it easy in Sunderland. It is a hard place.” Farrer, a season-ticket holder of long standing and commendable optimism given the disappointments he and his people have been forced to endure in football as in life is one of many locals recruited to provide background and keep the story ticking over in place of a more traditional narrator.

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Players shirts are seen in the changing room in a still from the Sunderland ‘Til I Die documentary. Photograph: Craig Sugden/Netflix
This sense of riches to rags and loss is all-pervading. Within the confines of the club the new manager Simon Grayson is left in no uncertain terms he will be given little or no money to spend by an administration that has pulled off the staggering feat of spending a decade in the Premier League while somehow contriving to lose millions. While Short is an almost totally absent figure, his chief executive, Martin Bain, cuts a faintly ludicrous David Brent-type figure, to whom we are first introduced as he finishes his morning swim at the training ground pool.
From the moment we are allowed to eavesdrop on a meeting between the former Rangers chief executive, Grayson, and their player recruitment team it becomes abundantly clear this rudderless ship Bain very presciently likens to the Titanic is destined to meet a similar fate. Over the course of the series Sunderland lose 23 matches, one owner, one chief executive, two managers, several players and their place in the Championship. All Or Nothing: Manchester City, this certainly ain’t.
Some players feature prominently, others not so much. With Grayson long gone and Chris Coleman appointed in his place, Aiden McGeady breaks a long and dignified silence to assess the new gaffer’s methods with barely disguised contempt. Almost comically, the club gets through goalkeepers more quickly than Spinal Tap can shed drummers and the transformation of the goalkeeper Jason Steele from optimistic arrival to tearful hologram utterly bereft of confidence is little short of harrowing.
Darron Gibson, a regular contributor until the termination of his contract after a drink-driving offence, at least conveys the impression he cares. The same cannot be said for Jack Rodwell, who generates fury by sitting tight on a salary rumoured to be £70,000 a week while in the treatment room or being forced to train with the kids after refusing to leave.

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Sunderland ’Til I Die simultaneously showcases everything that is right and wrong with English football and the stoicism of the many fans and nervous employees to whom we are introduced sits in contrast with the borderline apathy and bungling incompetence of this local institution’s custodians. When relegation is confirmed with two games to go, the club finally changes hands and Coleman is ushered out of the door but not before he and his players have the good grace to look suitably sheepish as they are applauded into the fans’ end-of-season awards. Before the final game, an emphatic victory against the champions Wolves, we are transported to the ticket office, where staff are astonished by the length of the queue snaking out of the door. Remarkably, a wonderful series that kicked off brimful of optimism Sunderland might get out of the Championship ends with similarly high hopes of a quick return.
Sunderland Til I Die is available on Netflix from Friday 14 December
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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-12-12, 3:48 pm

I have not yet seen it but people who have tell me its a fascinating watch and does indeed show all that was and had been wrong for some time.


I guess its a much easier watch when watching from the top of the league rather than the bottom.

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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2018-12-12, 10:58 pm

cyprussyd wrote:I have not yet seen it but people who have tell me its a fascinating watch and does indeed show all that was and had been wrong for some time.


I guess its a much easier watch when watching from the top of the league rather than the bottom.
Any word if it chronicles the activities of players away from the training pitch on "Non-SAFC" time?

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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-12-15, 12:44 am

Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.

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Post  Vincemac on 2018-12-15, 10:30 am

cyprussyd wrote:Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.
Yeh it was interesting 
I watched it all in two sittings
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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-12-15, 10:45 am

Vincemac wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.
Yeh it was interesting 
I watched it all in two sittings
Just signed up for netflix so my weekend viewing

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Post  Vincemac on 2018-12-15, 1:58 pm

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cyprussyd wrote:
Vincemac wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.
Yeh it was interesting 
I watched it all in two sittings
Just signed up for netflix so my weekend viewing
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Post  sunderpitt on 2018-12-15, 7:42 pm

Not sure if I could bear it!

Bane is on a lot apparently
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Post  gil t azell on 2018-12-15, 7:48 pm

sunderpitt wrote:Not sure if I could bear it!

Bane is on a lot apparently
Like  you I dont think I can watch it but from what I have heard Bain comes out as a good guy whilst Short and the players barring Catts n Honeyman or Gooch are all total w*nkers.
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Post  Kipper on 2018-12-15, 9:16 pm

gil t azell wrote:
sunderpitt wrote:Not sure if I could bear it!

Bane is on a lot apparently
Like  you I dont think I can watch it but from what I have heard Bain comes out as a good guy whilst Short and the players barring Catts n Honeyman or Gooch are all total w*nkers.
I'd heard Bain comes out like David Brent
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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-12-15, 9:34 pm

Best way to judge is to watch it.

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Post  Kipper on 2018-12-15, 11:21 pm

cyprussyd wrote:Best way to judge is to watch it.
Now that's insightful like
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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2018-12-16, 12:41 am

cyprussyd wrote:
Vincemac wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.
Yeh it was interesting 
I watched it all in two sittings
Just signed up for netflix so my weekend viewing
FYI    ... Check out the UK T&C's but elsewhere if you cancel before the 30 day free trial ends you can cancel for free  Laughing

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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2018-12-16, 12:41 am

cyprussyd wrote:Best way to judge is to watch it.
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Post  Hieronymus on 2018-12-16, 9:32 am

Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
Vincemac wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.
Yeh it was interesting 
I watched it all in two sittings
Just signed up for netflix so my weekend viewing
FYI    ... Check out the UK T&C's but elsewhere if you cancel before the 30 day free trial ends you can cancel for free  Laughing

Ps. Only works once per IP or address apparently  pale
Netflix have a "join free for a month" offer on here too. If only I had a spare hour or two to watch TV!

Mainly Peppa Pig, Tom and Jerry, or Disney movies on our TV. By time children are both in bed we're too exhausted to do much more than tidy up the devastation they leave behind them, watch the news headlines and then go to bed ourselves!
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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-12-16, 9:53 am

Hieronymus wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
Vincemac wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.
Yeh it was interesting 
I watched it all in two sittings
Just signed up for netflix so my weekend viewing
FYI    ... Check out the UK T&C's but elsewhere if you cancel before the 30 day free trial ends you can cancel for free  Laughing

Ps. Only works once per IP or address apparently  pale
Netflix have a "join free for a month" offer on here too. If only I had a spare hour or two to watch TV!

Mainly Peppa Pig, Tom and Jerry, or Disney movies on our TV. By time children are both in bed we're too exhausted to do much more than tidy up the devastation they leave behind them, watch the news headlines and then go to bed ourselves!
You would not believe how many grandparents I hear blaming the kids for the grandparents favorite viewing.

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Post  oldblackcat on 2018-12-16, 10:49 am

cyprussyd wrote:
Hieronymus wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
Vincemac wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.
Yeh it was interesting 
I watched it all in two sittings
Just signed up for netflix so my weekend viewing
FYI    ... Check out the UK T&C's but elsewhere if you cancel before the 30 day free trial ends you can cancel for free  Laughing

Ps. Only works once per IP or address apparently  pale
Netflix have a "join free for a month" offer on here too. If only I had a spare hour or two to watch TV!

Mainly Peppa Pig, Tom and Jerry, or Disney movies on our TV. By time children are both in bed we're too exhausted to do much more than tidy up the devastation they leave behind them, watch the news headlines and then go to bed ourselves!
You would not believe how many grandparents I hear blaming the kids for the grandparents favorite viewing.
I love Tom and Jerry and Disney movies Embarassed
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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-12-16, 12:15 pm

oldblackcat wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
Hieronymus wrote:
Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
Vincemac wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Looks like I am going to have to get netflix, everyone is saying how good this is and yes a bad season but many opinions of players are being changed for good and bad and what was going on behind the scenes, incredible.
Yeh it was interesting 
I watched it all in two sittings
Just signed up for netflix so my weekend viewing
FYI    ... Check out the UK T&C's but elsewhere if you cancel before the 30 day free trial ends you can cancel for free  Laughing

Ps. Only works once per IP or address apparently  pale
Netflix have a "join free for a month" offer on here too. If only I had a spare hour or two to watch TV!

Mainly Peppa Pig, Tom and Jerry, or Disney movies on our TV. By time children are both in bed we're too exhausted to do much more than tidy up the devastation they leave behind them, watch the news headlines and then go to bed ourselves!
You would not believe how many grandparents I hear blaming the kids for the grandparents favorite viewing.
I love Tom and Jerry and Disney movies Embarassed
No surprise there TBH

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Re: Sunderland Til I Die

Post  cyprussyd on 2018-12-16, 11:37 pm

Well I sat down and watched it tonight, got to the end of the January transfer window so will watch the rest tomorrow.

I cant recommend it highly enough, fascinating from start to finish and so far..

MARTIN BAIN
A lot of time for the man who did all he could but with his hands tied behind his back by Short.

SIMON GRAYSON
Again a good man but out of his depth IMO.

CHRIS COLEMAN
Loved him when he was here and love him even more after watching him.


JASON STEELE
A very nice genuine man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. For all supporters who boo players you will see how you destroy them.


BACKROOM STAFF AT THE AoL
Hard working good people and I could not help but wonder how many we see in this have lost their jobs.

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Re: Sunderland Til I Die

Post  sunderpitt on 2018-12-17, 9:48 am

Done the iTunes deed
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