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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-10-24, 3:07 pm

Alcohol at football: EFL clubs such as Sunderland and Ipswich want the ban at stadiums scrapped

The likes of Sunderland and Ipswich are calling for a 33-year-old law to be overturned so fans can enjoy a beer in their seats

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Nine football league clubs are calling for a 33 year old law to be overturned so fans can drink alcohol in their seats.
Legislation introduced in 1985 prohibits supporters from consuming alcohol in view of the pitch, therefore restricting them to drinking in a stadium’s concourse.
Clubs claim changing the law would result in:



  • Fair treatment for football fans
  • A better matchday experience for supporters
  • Less binge drinking before matches and during half time
  • Increased revenue for clubs




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Legislation introduced in 1985 prohibits fans from consuming alcohol in view of the pitch, meaning it’s the stadium concourse or a nearby beer garden for them
A Home Office spokesperson said: “We are satisfied that existing legislation is necessary and appropriate.”
Sunderland, Ipswich Town, Doncaster Rovers, Accrington Stanley, Port Vale, Forest Green Rovers, Lincoln City, Tranmere Rovers and Northampton Town are want a pilot scheme.
Grimsby Town, Newport County and Gillingham have also indicated they are open to a discussion.
The Football Supporters Federation is backing the calls. FSF Caseworker Amanda Jacks said: “When the laws were drafted they were a knee-jerk reaction to problems at the time. Nobody thought them through properly and certainly didn’t foresee that in 2018 we would be talking about football fans being singled out from the rest of society.”
A Home Office spokesperson added that football has “unique public order risks”, going on to say “many incidents of football-related disorder are spontaneous, involving offenders who have consumed alcohol, often to excess.”
For years the conversation included references to the Hillsborough disaster, after which police had blamed Liverpool supporters – and their consumption of alcohol – for the crush that killed 96 people.
But in 2012 the Hillsborough Independent Panel report exposed the truth: fans had been framed and alcohol played no part in the tragedy.
Influential Liverpool supporters podcast The Anfield Wrap told talkSPORT: “After everything we now know about the slurs and lies told over the Hillsborough disaster it is ridiculous that football fans are still stigmatised as essentially a feral underclass. How is it that the same person could sit in the same seat only a few days apart, one for a rugby match and then for a football match and have a drink at one and not the other?”
At rugby and cricket stadiums, such as Twickenham and Lord’s, fans can enjoy alcohol whilst watching the sport.


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At rugby and cricket stadiums, such as Twickenham and Lord’s, fans can enjoy alcohol whilst watching the sport
But The Anfield Wrap has joined the clubs in highlighting a more obvious discrepancy: when rugby is played in a football stadium fans can drink in their seats, but when football is played in a football stadium they cannot.
This occurs during Rugby League’s Magic Weekend, hosted at St James’ Park since 2015, and the Super League Grand Final at Old Trafford.
It is also the case every week at Keepmoat Stadium in Doncaster, which is shared by Doncaster Rovers F.C. and Doncaster R.L.FC.
Head of Stadium Operations, Marie Hepburn told talkSPORT: “Football has changed significantly since 1985. We don’t see alcohol causing the level of problems that it used to. A blanket ban is disproportionate to the level of risk that we are now facing.”


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Sunderland told talkSPORT that fans not being able to enjoy a pint while watching team “seems discriminatory to football fans”
A parallel is drawn to the Licensing Act 2003, which extended pub opening times but [url=http://www.ias.org.uk/uploads/pdf/News stories/2003act-evaluation-2008.pdf]did not cause an increase in alcohol-related crime[/url].
Clubs believe preventing supporters from drinking in their seats causes many to consume alcohol at a quicker rate before kick off and at half time.
Marie Hepburn added: “Having a 15 minute window where they can get a drink causes massive queues. You also have the challenge of staff being able to manage that.”
The fact it is illegal to drink in view of the pitch leads to “surreal” preventative measures, it is claimed.
At the away end of Stadium MK tarpaulins have been put up to block fans in the concourse seeing the match, while customers of the Holiday Inn in Norwich have been advised not to drink in their rooms because it is situated between the stands of Carrow Road.


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Customers at the Holiday Inn in Norwich have been advised not to drink in their rooms because it is situated between the stands of Carrow Road
In corporate hospitality boxes curtains are drawn to avoid a criminal offence being committed.
Smaller clubs feel changing the law could also generate valuable extra revenue.
Forest Green Rovers Chairman Dale Vince told talkSPORT: “I think there would be a degree of that, for sure. But I don’t think the big benefits would be financial. I think they would be to the matchday experience.”
No club said it wanted to keep the current legislation when contacted by talkSPORT. The Premier League offered no comment.
All clubs in favour of overturning the law believe a pilot scheme is the best way forward. Ideas include:


  • Matches without a fierce rivalry
  • Stands with easy access to the concourse
  • Only during the first or second half


It is believed momentum will build quickly once the government concludes its review into safe standing, which is expected to recommend changing the law introduced in 1989 to allow standing areas.
The EFL, which has campaigned on the issue of safe standing, is also keen to see changes to alcohol regulations and has indicated it would approach the matter responsibly.
If the law regarding alcohol was changed clubs would still have the power to refuse entry to, or eject, someone who was drunk.
In Scotland there is a total ban on consuming alcohol within a football stadium due to a 1980 law brought in after violence at the Scottish Cup final between Celtic and Rangers.

James Kelly MSP told talkSPORT: “I was actually at that game and I remember the trouble. I know the amount of alcohol contributed to it so I can understand why the alcohol ban was introduced.”
There was a mixed reaction when the Scottish Labour party proposed overturning the legislation in the run up to the 2015 General Election.
The Great British Beer and Pub Association is also urging caution. Chief Executive Brigid Simmonds said pubs next to stadiums could close: “That is possible. I wouldn’t want their viability undermined by allowing people to drink in the stands.”
Alcohol consumption across the UK has fallen 18 per cent since 2004.
Simmonds, formerly Director at Leicester City, believes this should prompt a grown up conversation about alcohol and football.
“I don’t think we should be afraid to talk about this. Football has changed out of all recognition in the last twenty years. I don’t think this is something we want to rush into but I don’t see any reason why there shouldn’t be more flexibility for clubs.”
The FA told talkSPORT it would discuss the idea with other football authorities “if clubs were in favour of change”.

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Post  sunderpitt on 2018-10-24, 3:52 pm

Syd.... you have strong views... who would have thunk it!

If I go to watch the Falcons, I can drink in my seat. If I go to Durham Cricket I can a drink in seat. 

If I go to Sunderland I cannot have a drink in seat.(atm I would not anyhow cos I do not drink and drive.

The argument is simply lots of so called football spectators are yobs and their behaviour would be even worse if they drank whilst spectating
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Post  vinkel on 2018-10-24, 4:22 pm

No feckin way pedro, the last thing i want at a match is some prick juming up to celebrate and spilling a pint on me. Boring old fart maybe, but drink in the concourse if you must, but not in the seating area.
To be quite honest my opinion is if you cant watch a match without a drink i think you have a problem.

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Post  lesmac on 2018-10-24, 5:27 pm

If this comes to pass I will stop going to SOL, it's bad enough now with those supporters who arrive after the Kick off and leave after 20 minutes to visit the toilet , come back and leave again 10 minutes before the half time whistle to get more booze down their throat. The whole thing starts again when they return 5 minutes after the 2nd half starts. 

If the FA must pass this stupid idea then the clubs should allocate a section of the ground where the boozers can come and go without disturbing the more sensible and considerate supporters.
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Post  niceonemarra on 2018-10-24, 6:01 pm

I'm all for this, I dont really go to the match to drink but I normally have to down a pint quickly before 1st half/2nd half kick off due to time constraints.

People saying they dont want to get covered in beer, have you ever been covered in bovril/tea?

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Post  sunderpitt on 2018-10-24, 6:35 pm

niceonemarra wrote:I'm all for this, I dont really go to the match to drink but I normally have to down a pint quickly before 1st half/2nd half kick off due to time constraints.

People saying they dont want to get covered in beer, have you ever been covered in bovril/tea?


It's the various coloured vomit that puts me off.. smell of beer is relatively normal
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Post  barrowmackem on 2018-10-24, 6:44 pm

alcohol in the seating areas is a no from me.

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Post  oldblackcat on 2018-10-24, 7:43 pm

Most times I have a drink before the match....quite often I will have a drink after the match....I never have a drink at half time and I don't want the option to drink during the match....I'm there for the football not the drink!!....and I may be a fuddy duddy but I don't want to be showered with beer when we score/come close to scoring Mad
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Post  gil t azell on 2018-10-24, 8:38 pm

lesmac wrote:If this comes to pass I will stop going to SOL, it's bad enough now with those supporters who arrive after the Kick off and leave after 20 minutes to visit the toilet , come back and leave again 10 minutes before the half time whistle to get more booze down their throat. The whole thing starts again when they return 5 minutes after the 2nd half starts. 

If the FA must pass this stupid idea then the clubs should allocate a section of the ground where the boozers can come and go without disturbing the more sensible and considerate supporters.

Agree with this 100%.
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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-10-24, 9:02 pm

It appears my strong views are shared by many. I appreciate that we are all different and for many the match day pint or two are part of their match day experience. For me its the game, I stand when the players come out but when they are getting ready for kick off I become oblivious to all around me and focus 100% on the game. I dont move quickly so stopped jumping up when we score because I was just up when all around were sitting back down so getting up and down really does spoil my match day experience. I accept that it sometime needs doing but like Les the day that up and down increases is the day I stop going.

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Post  niceonemarra on 2018-10-24, 9:56 pm

I don't like drink but there is no good reason to stop people from drinking at the match as long its done responsibly, if not they get thrown out.

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Post  lesmac on 2018-10-25, 12:05 am

niceonemarra wrote:I don't like drink but there is no good reason to stop people from drinking at the match as long its done responsibly, if not they get thrown out.
What do you regard as responsible? 

I enjoy an occasional pint or a glass of single malt but the last place that I'd want to drink alcohol is at a football match. I go to see a game of football not to have to tolerate people continually leaving their seat to top up or go to the loo. Do you believe that people who drink are prepared to consider those supporters who just want to sit, undisturbed, and watch the game without having to stand to let people in and out of their seat or have people in the row in front standing and blocking the view of those behind. I don't consider that most of those who drink alcohol at the match give a toss about disturbing people so long as they get their booze.
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Post  canary-dave on 2018-10-25, 4:19 am

lesmac wrote:
niceonemarra wrote:I don't like drink but there is no good reason to stop people from drinking at the match as long its done responsibly, if not they get thrown out.
What do you regard as responsible? 

I enjoy an occasional pint or a glass of single malt but the last place that I'd want to drink alcohol is at a football match. I go to see a game of football not to have to tolerate people continually leaving their seat to top up or go to the loo. Do you believe that people who drink are prepared to consider those supporters who just want to sit, undisturbed, and watch the game without having to stand to let people in and out of their seat or have people in the row in front standing and blocking the view of those behind. I don't consider that most of those who drink alcohol at the match give a toss about disturbing people so long as they get their booze.

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Post  Gordon Armstrong on 2018-10-25, 4:33 am

I can just imagine some of the 'away' supporters, that, thanks to an idiotic decision a few years ago, sit above me, behaving 'responsibly' with pints in hands, especially the likes of the Maggots, Smoggies or Toffees, never mind some our own fans who wouldn't give a toss about the spillage possibility during moments of excitement (which are not rare these days) !
This is an absolutely stupid, and irresponsible, idea that should be 'laughed out of court' and never brought up again.
We are now used to not being allowed to partake in our seats, so let's just continue as we are . . . . it's only people that don't care about the comfort of others that would agree with this.

Should we also consider lifting the smoking ban, too . . . . it's a similarly stupid idea ? Should we bollocks !
When the law changed 12 years ago to prevent people smoking in stadiums, when previously they were allowed to take away our right not to smoke, it was literally like a 'breath of fresh air' and any move to reverse that or the alcohol rules in seats would be a road back to the stone age (I might be exaggerating a bit there) Wink

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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-10-25, 9:48 am

Gordon Armstrong wrote:I can just imagine some of the 'away' supporters, that, thanks to an idiotic decision a few years ago, sit above me, behaving 'responsibly' with pints in hands, especially the likes of the Maggots, Smoggies or Toffees, never mind some our own fans who wouldn't give a toss about the spillage possibility during moments of excitement (which are not rare these days) !
This is an absolutely stupid, and irresponsible, idea that should be 'laughed out of court' and never brought up again.
We are now used to not being allowed to partake in our seats, so let's just continue as we are . . . . it's only people that don't care about the comfort of others that would agree with this.

Should we also consider lifting the smoking ban, too . . . . it's a similarly stupid idea ? Should we bollocks !
When the law changed 12 years ago to prevent people smoking in stadiums, when previously they were allowed to take away our right not to smoke, it was literally like a 'breath of fresh air' and any move to reverse that or the alcohol rules in seats would be a road back to the stone age (I might be exaggerating a bit there) Wink

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Post  lesmac on 2018-10-25, 11:20 am

Gordon Armstrong wrote:I can just imagine some of the 'away' supporters, that, thanks to an idiotic decision a few years ago, sit above me, behaving 'responsibly' with pints in hands, especially the likes of the Maggots, Smoggies or Toffees, never mind some our own fans who wouldn't give a toss about the spillage possibility during moments of excitement (which are not rare these days) !
This is an absolutely stupid, and irresponsible, idea that should be 'laughed out of court' and never brought up again.
We are now used to not being allowed to partake in our seats, so let's just continue as we are . . . . it's only people that don't care about the comfort of others that would agree with this.

Should we also consider lifting the smoking ban, too . . . . it's a similarly stupid idea ? Should we bollocks !
When the law changed 12 years ago to prevent people smoking in stadiums, when previously they were allowed to take away our right not to smoke, it was literally like a 'breath of fresh air' and any move to reverse that or the alcohol rules in seats would be a road back to the stone age (I might be exaggerating a bit there) Wink

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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-10-25, 11:33 am

lesmac wrote:
Gordon Armstrong wrote:I can just imagine some of the 'away' supporters, that, thanks to an idiotic decision a few years ago, sit above me, behaving 'responsibly' with pints in hands, especially the likes of the Maggots, Smoggies or Toffees, never mind some our own fans who wouldn't give a toss about the spillage possibility during moments of excitement (which are not rare these days) !
This is an absolutely stupid, and irresponsible, idea that should be 'laughed out of court' and never brought up again.
We are now used to not being allowed to partake in our seats, so let's just continue as we are . . . . it's only people that don't care about the comfort of others that would agree with this.

Should we also consider lifting the smoking ban, too . . . . it's a similarly stupid idea ? Should we bollocks !
When the law changed 12 years ago to prevent people smoking in stadiums, when previously they were allowed to take away our right not to smoke, it was literally like a 'breath of fresh air' and any move to reverse that or the alcohol rules in seats would be a road back to the stone age (I might be exaggerating a bit there) Wink

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Post  Kipper on 2018-10-25, 12:33 pm

I was on the fence about this before I saw all the well reasoned arguments against the idea. From a consumption point of view it wouldn't make any difference to me as I drive but I got a couple of crazy ideas that might control things:

Only sell alcohol at points when the players aren't on the pitch - to reduce the up/down nonsense, and reduce the amount that people drink.
Make people bring their own non-spillable containers for the beer (tackling spillage and waste in one go.
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Post  niceonemarra on 2018-10-25, 12:58 pm

Although I'm all for drinking at the match I do hate the idea of people constantly getting out of their seat to get a pint in, that would bug the hell out of me.

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