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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-09-25, 2:09 pm

‘They’re trying to get a free ride off the club’ - Sunderland director slams pub landlords for showing live games illegally 


Tuesday 25 September 2018 


Sunderland AFC executive director Charlie Methven has slammed pub landlords on Wearside who show Black Cats games illegally - accusing them of trying to get a “free ride off the back of the club”. The club today said it will now be working with the authorities to “root out” the practice of venues showing games without having the correct licenses. 


SAFC executive director Charlie Methven Mr Methven accused those broadcasting games illegally of “taking the mickey” out of the club at a time when he argues he and others who are part of the new regime are “trying to get Sunderland AFC back on its feet”. 


Under English Football League (EFL) broadcast rules, games being streamed on club websites cannot be shown on screens in pubs, clubs and other venues. Live Sky games can be shown by venues if they have the relevant licenses in place. The club says that the EFL has advised SAFC that they have “robust processes” in place to tackle any establishment found to be showing games. 


The EFL confirmed that it has been contacted by the club but is not able to comment further. A spokesman for Northumbria Police said that landlords should be aware that they are breaking the law by showing non-televised matches and could face criminal proceedings by doing so. 


Mr Methven, who was installed as executive director when chairman Stewart Donald took over the club from American billionaire Ellis Short, said: “We are desperately trying to get Sunderland AFC back on its feet, financially, yet you have people in the city itself trying to get a free ride off the back of the club. “Much as we want to be the ‘nice guys’ as much as possible, that doesn’t extend to tolerating people brazenly taking the mickey out of the club. Sunderland AFC executive director Charlie Methven. “We owe it to the fans to run Sunderland in a business-like way, so we will be working with the authorities to root out this illegal practice.” 


It is not the first time that those in charge at SAFC have taken aim at pubs showing games illegally and the knock-on effect it has on attendances and revenues for the club. Former chairman Niall Quinn famously said he “despises” supporters who watch games beamed illegally to pubs and clubs rather than make the effort to attend matches. Speaking in 2011, Quinn said: “I would never criticise anyone who doesn’t come to the stadium because of financial constraints, but I despise those who spend far more than the price of a ticket watching some overseas commentator describing the action at the nearby Stadium of Light.” 


Last year, five pubs in and around the Sunderland area were told they would have to pay almost £60,000 between them in costs for illegally showing Premier League matches. The actions follow a change in law which took place in 2016 meaning a pub simply showing an unauthorised broadcast of a Premier League football match – irrespective of whether logos or graphics are displayed – infringes Premier League copyright and could face legal action. 


Ttonic and Chaplins, both in Sunderland city centre, were ordered to pay combined costs of £35,000. The Inn Place, in Doxford and the Cavalier, in Silksworth, were ordered to pay £12,000 combined, and the Grey Horse, in Whitburn, was told it would have to fork out £11,000. Following Mr Methven’s comments, a Northumbria Police spokesman said: “There is a perception that watching an illegal stream of a football match is a victimless crime – but that is not the case. “Not only can the illegal streaming of non-televised matches contribute towards a significant financial loss to businesses, but it is also unfair that millions of people work hard to afford to pay for their subscription-only TV services when others cheat the system and watch for free. “Our message to landlords is clear; if you are showing non-televised football matches, you are breaking the law – and could face criminal proceedings as a result. “Anyone who is made aware of premises flouting the rules is asked to contact police on 101.”

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Post  lesmac on 2018-09-25, 3:01 pm

I too agree with Charlie and hope that  prosecution  of organisations that show these streamed matches does happen. Like Nial Quinn I also despise so called supporters who watch games in clubs and pubs who have no legal license and at the same time swill down enough booze to buy a ticket to watch the game live. Charlie is an absolute breath of fresh air at SAFC, long may he stay there.
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Post  sunderpitt on 2018-09-25, 4:49 pm

I can understand the clubs point.

However it is not just football that is affected many folk, some even on this forum, have fiddles online access. It Sky, BT etc charge high fees for access to say Golf Majors or Tennis Grand slams etc. I can understand why ways are found around the high cost of watching your sport.
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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-09-25, 5:19 pm

sunderpitt wrote:I can understand the clubs point.

However it is not just football that is affected many folk, some even on this forum, have fiddles online access. It Sky, BT etc charge high fees for access to say Golf Majors or Tennis Grand slams etc. I can understand why ways are found around the high cost of watching your sport.
Sunders that for me is bollocks, absolute bollocks.  You are telling me that people cant afford Sky but the poor buggers can afford to go to the pub and get pissed.

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Post  sunderpitt on 2018-09-25, 5:42 pm

cyprussyd wrote:
sunderpitt wrote:I can understand the clubs point.

However it is not just football that is affected many folk, some even on this forum, have fiddles online access. It Sky, BT etc charge high fees for access to say Golf Majors or Tennis Grand slams etc. I can understand why ways are found around the high cost of watching your sport.
Sunders that for me is bollocks, absolute bollocks.  You are telling me that people cant afford Sky but the poor buggers can afford to go to the pub and get pissed.

There are lots of people who like sport but do mot want to drink or go to pubs
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Post  cyprussyd on 2018-09-25, 5:46 pm

sunderpitt wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
sunderpitt wrote:I can understand the clubs point.

However it is not just football that is affected many folk, some even on this forum, have fiddles online access. It Sky, BT etc charge high fees for access to say Golf Majors or Tennis Grand slams etc. I can understand why ways are found around the high cost of watching your sport.
Sunders that for me is bollocks, absolute bollocks.  You are telling me that people cant afford Sky but the poor buggers can afford to go to the pub and get pissed.

There are lots of people who like sport but do mot want to drink or go to pubs
I know so your point is? The point of Charlies message is a simple one, pubs in Sunderland making money on the back of illegal streams. If Tom Smith can find an illegal stream, he will be lucky, to watch a game he cant afford to go to then good for him. Very different to the landlord of a pub in Sunderland making money out of it and if the customers wanted to see the game they could go to the game.

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Post  Vincemac on 2018-09-25, 7:18 pm

cyprussyd wrote:
sunderpitt wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
sunderpitt wrote:I can understand the clubs point.

However it is not just football that is affected many folk, some even on this forum, have fiddles online access. It Sky, BT etc charge high fees for access to say Golf Majors or Tennis Grand slams etc. I can understand why ways are found around the high cost of watching your sport.
Sunders that for me is bollocks, absolute bollocks.  You are telling me that people cant afford Sky but the poor buggers can afford to go to the pub and get pissed.

There are lots of people who like sport but do mot want to drink or go to pubs
I know so your point is? The point of Charlies message is a simple one, pubs in Sunderland making money on the back of illegal streams. If Tom Smith can find an illegal stream, he will be lucky, to watch a game he cant afford to go to then good for him. Very different to the landlord of a pub in Sunderland making money out of it and if the customers wanted to see the game they could go to the game.
I’m not really bothered 
If I can’t get to the match and that’s nearly all away games and in the past a few home games 
I will if I can  find a pub that shows the  match 
However it’s not that easy quite a few of the matches are not shown 
Never the less apparently they are in sunderland 
So be it
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Post  Silvers on 2018-09-25, 11:22 pm

is this any different to people live- streaming games to their computer...  ?
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Post  Kipper on 2018-09-26, 7:07 am

Silvers wrote:is this any different to people live- streaming games to their computer...  ?

Yes. It's illegally providing a service in order to make increased profit from alcohol sales.

Does the club lose out? Well, possibly if the games are shown in pubs in the local area as those people might have gone to the match instead. Possibly not if the games are shown in pubs some distance away.
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Post  Vincemac on 2018-09-26, 9:15 am

Kipper wrote:
Silvers wrote:is this any different to people live- streaming games to their computer...  ?

Yes. It's illegally providing a service in order to make increased profit from alcohol sales.

Does the club lose out? Well, possibly if the games are shown in pubs in the local area as those people might have gone to the match instead. Possibly not if the games are shown in pubs some distance away.
I don’t think it makes much difference 
You go to the games if you want too
Weather on the tv or not 
For me it’s an option for away games
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Post  Silvers on 2018-09-26, 9:44 pm

Kipper wrote:
Silvers wrote:is this any different to people live- streaming games to their computer...  ?

Yes. It's illegally providing a service in order to make increased profit from alcohol sales.

Does the club lose out? Well, possibly if the games are shown in pubs in the local area as those people might have gone to the match instead. Possibly not if the games are shown in pubs some distance away.

Oh, I agree with you.

It was a rhetorical question....
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