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Post  Silvers on 2017-12-03, 12:48 pm

No, in my opinion it is not too early to be looking at what is needed for safety.
A whole year without a home win ?
Not sustainable..

So, let us look at the last 10 years in the Championship - looking at the points amassed by the 3rd bottom team - relegated.
2008 Leicester   52
2009 Norwich    46
2010 Sheff Wed  47
2011 Preston      42
2012  Pompey     40
2013 Peterboro    54
2014 Doncaster   44
2015 Millwall       41
2016 Charlton     40
2017 Blackburn   51

A reminder that we were relegated to the third tier in 1987 with 48 points (from 42 games in those days)

My feeling is that if we need 50 ish points we are stuffed...

Currently we have played 20 games and amassed the great total of 14 points.

So we have 26 games left.

Starting NOW, average form of   win 8 lose 8  draw 10 would give 32 points, plus our 14 points = 46 point.

So doable if we can win another 8 games... somehow..

It's going to be tight, very tight....

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Post  Vincemac on 2017-12-03, 1:00 pm

Silvers wrote:No, in my opinion it is not too early to be looking at what is needed for safety.
A whole year without a home win ?
Not sustainable..

So, let us look at the last 10 years in the Championship - looking at the points amassed by the 3rd bottom team - relegated.
2008 Leicester   52
2009 Norwich    46
2010 Sheff Wed  47
2011 Preston      42
2012  Pompey     40
2013 Peterboro    54
2014 Doncaster   44
2015 Millwall       41
2016 Charlton     40
2017 Blackburn   51

A reminder that we were relegated to the third tier in 1987 with 48 points (from 42 games in those days)

My feeling is that if we need 50 ish points we are stuffed...

Currently we have played 20 games and amassed the great total of 14 points.

So we have 26 games left.

Starting NOW, average form of   win 8 lose 8  draw 10 would give 32 points, plus our 14 points = 46 point.

So doable if we can win another 8 games... somehow..

It's going to be tight, very tight....

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No very confident 
Our only hope is the other three.
Icant see us getting many wins 
I just hope the other get less 
It’s not looking good unless the cookie doesn’t crumble
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-12-03, 1:13 pm

Very simple answer, we need one more point that 3 other teams and we will achieve that.

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Post  Vincemac on 2017-12-03, 1:25 pm

cyprussyd wrote:Very simple answer, we need one more point that 3 other teams and we will achieve that.
That right Syd 
But the way  things are going it’s going to be very difficult 
Unless the cookie doesn’t crumble
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-12-03, 2:18 pm

Coleman has had one home game.

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Post  vinkel on 2017-12-03, 3:20 pm

cyprussyd wrote:Coleman has had one home game.
If you count the home game v Millwall, he has had 2 home 2 away. Drew lost won lost . Average 1 point per game, would that be enough. Just numbers, you can do all sorts of combinations with numbers.

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Post  Silvers on 2017-12-03, 4:41 pm

cyprussyd wrote:Coleman has had one home game.
Yes of course it will take time.

A commodity the team does not have.unfortunately.

Coal Man can only work with the players he has inherited.

I am confident that eventually a team assembled by him will do well. Whenever that may be.

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-12-03, 6:04 pm

vinkel wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Coleman has had one home game.
If you count the home game v Millwall, he has had 2 home 2 away. Drew lost won lost . Average 1 point per game, would that be enough. Just numbers, you can do all sorts of combinations with numbers.
Bloody hell vink, we are now blaming cookie for a game against Millwall that was played the day before he joined.

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Post  TNT on 2017-12-03, 6:48 pm

Not a fan of Coleman but he had sod all to do with the Millwall game mate, the Villa game was out of his hands also as he’d only been with us two days. Burton away fair enough and yesterday was the usual abysmal performance that has dogged us for 6/7 seasons. We can start judging him on the next game.

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Post  Nostalgic on 2017-12-03, 7:24 pm

Just another slog of a season with a change of manager.  He has had little time yet so as ever we see what the January sales bring!

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Post  vinkel on 2017-12-03, 8:34 pm

cyprussyd wrote:
vinkel wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Coleman has had one home game.
If you count the home game v Millwall, he has had 2 home 2 away. Drew lost won lost . Average 1 point per game, would that be enough. Just numbers, you can do all sorts of combinations with numbers.
Bloody hell vink, we are now blaming cookie for a game against Millwall that was played the day before he joined.
Syd syd syd, how on earth can you turn my reply into anyone blaming anything. I simply responded to Silvers op on a numbers theme. I am only implying 4 points from 4 games since it was announced Coleman was joining. Now if you can explain what blame is implied.

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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-12-03, 9:29 pm

Frankly atm we ate fcuked unless results miraculously change

 Which is unlikely at present
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-12-03, 10:02 pm

Coleman has been here two minutes and yes yesterday was bad, he will learn from that and sort it. Won't be joining in the panic just yet.

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Post  Billy D on 2017-12-03, 10:21 pm

I agree with sunders.
The away lads will enjoy a nice trip to Rotherham next season.
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Post  Silvers on 2017-12-03, 10:54 pm

cyprussyd wrote:Coleman has been here two minutes and yes yesterday was bad, he will learn from that and sort it. Won't be joining in the panic just yet.

Certainly not panic Syd.
Que sera.

We are merely dìscussing the here and now..

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and possible future status .....

By no means certain... yet .... either way.
But we cant assume we will avoid another relegation just as we cant assume our squad is too good to go down.

We could be well adrift by crimbo.
We may however win four on the trot .... 

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-12-04, 8:14 am

Silvers wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Coleman has been here two minutes and yes yesterday was bad, he will learn from that and sort it. Won't be joining in the panic just yet.

Certainly not panic Syd.
Que sera.

We are merely dìscussing the here and now..

Very Happy

and possible future status .....

By no means certain... yet .... either way.
But we cant assume we will avoid another relegation just as we cant assume our squad is too good to go down.

We could be well adrift by crimbo.
We may however win four on the trot .... 

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We simply have very different attitudes Silvers, you are discussing the here and now with comments confirming our relegation and a defeatist attitude amongst so many fans that it makes me despair.

My here and now is a much brighter one, yes Saturday was bad but it was also Coleman's first home game and for me that is far to early to right him off. Billy seems to take pleasure in our present situation.

Not for me I'm very pleased to say.

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Post  Billy D on 2017-12-04, 8:45 am

cyprussyd wrote:
Silvers wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Coleman has been here two minutes and yes yesterday was bad, he will learn from that and sort it. Won't be joining in the panic just yet.

Certainly not panic Syd.
Que sera.

We are merely dìscussing the here and now..

Very Happy

and possible future status .....

By no means certain... yet .... either way.
But we cant assume we will avoid another relegation just as we cant assume our squad is too good to go down.

We could be well adrift by crimbo.
We may however win four on the trot .... 

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We simply have very different attitudes Silvers, you are discussing the here and now with comments confirming our relegation and a defeatist attitude amongst so many fans that it makes me despair.

My here and now is a much brighter one, yes Saturday was bad but it was also Coleman's first home game and for me that is far to early to right him off. Billy seems to take pleasure in our present situation.

Not for me I'm very pleased to say.
What's wrong with Rotherham like?
There's also ;
Wigan, Scunthorpe, Blackburn, Bradford, Blackpool, Doncaster & Rochdale.
All not too far & the away lads could be back home in time for a couple of pints.  Laughing
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Post  Silvers on 2017-12-04, 10:19 am

cyprussyd wrote:
Silvers wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Coleman has been here two minutes and yes yesterday was bad, he will learn from that and sort it. Won't be joining in the panic just yet.

Certainly not panic Syd.
Que sera.

We are merely dìscussing the here and now..

Very Happy

and possible future status .....

By no means certain... yet .... either way.
But we cant assume we will avoid another relegation just as we cant assume our squad is too good to go down.

We could be well adrift by crimbo.
We may however win four on the trot .... 

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We simply have very different attitudes Silvers, you are discussing the here and now with comments confirming our relegation and a defeatist attitude amongst so many fans that it makes me despair.

My here and now is a much brighter one, yes Saturday was bad but it was also Coleman's first home game and for me that is far to early to right him off. Billy seems to take pleasure in our present situation.

Not for me I'm very pleased to say.

I don't think for one moment I am 'defeatist'.
Maybe pragmatic ....

All I have said is that things on the field have not changed in 2 years now.
If it continues on this downward spiral  then we are down- no messing.


I also said that perhaps we may win 4 on the bounce ...   now that WOULD be a silver lining. I'm all for them.


You shouldn't despair at how people feel..... 

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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-12-04, 11:16 am

Short and the tories are alike.

Several years of austerity, the NHS is knacked, there are more people using food banks than ever before and more kids are below the poverty line. 

Shorts years of austerity has meant better players being sold and dross being brought in...I bet Coleman is thinking wtf have i let myself in for. We have had one relegation and atm unless something changes pretty soon are heading for another one.

The 2nd half display on Saturday was shocking. I actually went with some hope and optimism, desperate for a win and after last week thinking it was possible.

Just cos we had a man sent off (unluckily imho, disallowing the goal was enough punishment) does not mean we should have given up, in fact if the players had shown some guts for the sending off injustice was reason for a fight back, if any of them had a backbone. The lack of pressing, the players body language, lack of effort etc was appalling. 

There is no way I am taking my grandson to see that shower against Fulham in couple of weeks time.

Sunderland will always be my team, that will never change, but the least we fans can expect is honest commitment from the players whatever their talent, not lazy indifference... we have not won at home FOR A YEAR!
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-12-04, 11:30 am

Let me explain my despair, mind I despair at the fact I need to explain.

Yes things are dire
Yes we have had a few years of dross
Yes Short has failed to spend of late
And yes we can all wallow in the circle of doom, gloom, pragmatism, reality, indeed we can stop going and support from afar.

My viewpoint is very different but for me very real, we appointed a new manager only weeks ago to the acclaim of most but all ready we seem to have lost faith, decided not to give him a chance and before anyone says we are giving him a chance then god help us all if the comments are supportive.

I will leave you now to enjoy your pragmatic world of defeatism

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Post  vinkel on 2017-12-04, 12:25 pm

This has gone wrong hasn't it. Started off as a topic of how many points needed for safety. Now it's gone to the optomists in one corner and the doomsters in the other.
Going back to the original post the obvious answer is a point or better gd than 3 others. 
As things stand i dont think 50 points will be needed, my guess around the 45/46 mark so another 32 points from 26 games. 27 days and the winter window opens now that yet again will be interesting.
So KTF.

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Post  Billy D on 2017-12-04, 1:02 pm

vinkel wrote:This has gone wrong hasn't it. Started off as a topic of how many points needed for safety. Now it's gone to the optomists in one corner and the doomsters in the other.
Going back to the original post the obvious answer is a point or better gd than 3 others. 
As things stand i dont think 50 points will be needed, my guess around the 45/46 mark so another 32 points from 26 games. 27 days and the winter window opens now that yet again will be interesting.
So KTF.
f*ck KTF.
How about those cunts on the pitch earn it?
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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2017-12-04, 10:19 pm

vinkel wrote:This has gone wrong hasn't it. Started off as a topic of how many points needed for safety. Now it's gone to the optomists in one corner and the doomsters in the other.
Going back to the original post the obvious answer is a point or better gd than 3 others. 
As things stand i dont think 50 points will be needed, my guess around the 45/46 mark so another 32 points from 26 games. 27 days and the winter window opens now that yet again will be interesting.
So KTF.
Could you please explain how this squad can achieve the 45/46 points you feel they'll require should they continue to bench mark there achievements on and off the training pitch against there own standards when as a club their numbers are below those required to compete in this division.

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vinkel wrote:This has gone wrong hasn't it. Started off as a topic of how many points needed for safety. Now it's gone to the optomists in one corner and the doomsters in the other.
Going back to the original post the obvious answer is a point or better gd than 3 others. 
As things stand i dont think 50 points will be needed, my guess around the 45/46 mark so another 32 points from 26 games. 27 days and the winter window opens now that yet again will be interesting.
So KTF.
f*ck KTF.
How about those cunts on the pitch earn it?
Billy it's what they do off the pitch which affects what they do on it.

You need to quarantine them in a boot camp!

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