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Post  Nostalgic on 2017-11-20, 7:04 pm

On the keeper front, the only thing that can be done is to tell him that last Saturday is gone, go out tonight an make up for it with a clean sheet.

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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-11-20, 9:02 pm

We can but hope..3 points please
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Post  Billy D on 2017-11-20, 9:35 pm

Home win.
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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2017-11-20, 10:10 pm

Billy D wrote:Home win.
Eventually, now we've got the record  Crying or Very sad

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Post  Silvers on 2017-11-21, 1:36 pm

That's what you call a goalmouth scramble !

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-11-21, 6:11 pm

Down to bare bones again with our never ending injury woes, may even see Roders start Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

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Post  canary-dave on 2017-11-21, 6:13 pm

cyprussyd wrote:Down to bare bones again with our never ending injury woes, may even see Roders start Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed


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cyprussyd wrote:Down to bare bones again with our never ending injury woes, may even see Roders start Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed


Maybe CC can get him firing on all cylinders  like
You will no doubt be shocked to hear that win, lose or draw Cookie and his team will have my 100% support.

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15 minutes to go and I can feel the buzz, welcome and good luck Cookie.

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Yes we lost and yes we again made mistakes but I think Cookie will be satisfied with the impact he has made after two days, I know I am.

Good signs on show and a better future coming, on wards and upwards.

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cyprussyd wrote:Yes we lost and yes we again made mistakes but I think Cookie will be satisfied with the impact he has made after two days, I know I am.

Good signs on show and a better future coming, on wards and upwards.
Why do you call him Cookie Syd?
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cyprussyd wrote:Yes we lost and yes we again made mistakes but I think Cookie will be satisfied with the impact he has made after two days, I know I am.

Good signs on show and a better future coming, on wards and upwards.
Why do you call him Cookie Syd?
I to live in the dark at times so....local humor  scratch ...... Embarassed

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cyprussyd wrote:Yes we lost and yes we again made mistakes but I think Cookie will be satisfied with the impact he has made after two days, I know I am.

Good signs on show and a better future coming, on wards and upwards.
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Chris Coleman believes there were plenty of positives to take from his side’s display against Aston Villa this evening.
Taking charge of his first match since becoming the new Sunderland manager, Coleman was forced to name a much-changed side as he was without seven regular faces.
However, the Black Cats gave it as good as they had and Lewis Grabban set up a grandstand finish to halve the deficit after Josh Onomah and Albert Adomah had built up a comfortable lead for the hosts.
And while Sunderland were unable to mount a late onslaught to steal a point, Coleman was quick to draw on the positives he saw from his side. 
"I don't want to stand here and make any excuses because the last thing our boys need are excuses," he said.
"The cold hard facts are that we have come here with nine or 10 first-team players unavailable.
"The boys that were on the pitch, whatever they had they gave and we just needed to play a little bit smarter in certain areas of the pitch.
"We have got to be a little bit more trigger happy in the final third. We got into one or two positions where we should've shot and we didn't.
"Sometimes that perfect moment never arises and you have just got to get through it.
"Overall, I thought the boys worked their socks off, we worked yesterday for 20 minutes on a game plan so we haven't had much time together.
"They tried to do what we asked and that is key for us moving forward," he continued.
"We know everyone talks about wins and at the end of the day it is all about three points but what we need to do concentrate on performances.
"Preparation, performance, preparation, performance - that's how you get better and that's how you turn the tide."

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-11-22, 12:59 am

Very good analysis IMO

Chris Coleman’s spell as Sunderland manager got off to a losing start but the Welshman had few complaints after his side’s 2-1 defeat to Aston Villa.
Playing at the home of a team who have found their feet after a poor start to the season with events conspiring against Coleman from the moment he walked through the door, it was no surprise the Black Cats were unable to end a winless run which now stands at 16 matches.
Coleman, though, was delighted from the effort he got from his side, patched together from the few senior players he had available.
The Welshman has barely had chance to see his new players even in training having arrived on Sunday ahead of a Tuesday night away game, so he will have gleaned a lot of new information about his players.
What did we learn and what can we expect from the team now it is under new management?


1. New manager, same old luck

Coleman knew from the minute Sunderland approached him he was letting himself in for a very difficult task, but even since his appointment, it has got harder.
Jonny Williams, who played for Coleman in Wales’ European Championships semi-final defeat to Portugal last year, will have to undergo shoulder surgery after coming out the wrong side of a challenge in Saturday’s 2-2 draw with Millwall.
Duncan Watmore will also go under the knife. In his case it will be an exploratory procedure after injuring the left knee he suffered cruciate knee ligament damage in under a year ago. Although nothing will be known for sure until he does, the fear is that he has suffered the same injury again, and will not play until next season at the earliest.
It added to a list of absentees which included Billy Jones, Marc Wilson, Didier Ndong, Lamine Kone, Jack Rodwell and the suspended Lee Cattermole. The Watmore news showed why they did not want to push Paddy McNair through a second game in three days after his cruciate knee ligament damage.
Coleman admitted after the game he had come in planning to play a different formation – he had some success with Wales playing three at the back - but had to abandon that when he saw what was available.
The Sunderland conceded a goal when Adam Matthews was lying injured and out of position, and another which deflected off Tyias Browning. It never rains but it pours on Wearside right now.


2. A change of approach

The new manager may barely have had enough time to get to know everyone’s names, but right from the start his team bore the Coleman stamp.
Too often under Simon Grayson the Black Cats’ first thought was to hoof the ball downfield, whether there was anyone to aim at or not. It was very noticeable at Villa Park that Coleman, having come out of six years of international football, was anxious for his team to pass the ball, though they were not afraid to clip it behind Villa’s back four when the runs of Lewis Grabban, or occasionally one of the midfielders, allowed.
It was an energetic pressing style and before even the first half was out it seemed to be taking its toll on the legs of some of the players. Sunderland were at their brightest in the first quarter but their commitment to playing the game properly continued throughout.

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3. Confidence still sorely lacking

Although they worked hard for their new manager, you never got the impression that Sunderland could win the game or more importantly that they thought they could win the game.
The Black Cats have made a habit of finding equalisers but not winners recently but once Albert Adomah gave Villa a tenth-minute lead with their first meaningful attack, you got the impression that was that.
Grabban’s 73rd-minute goal could have been the signal for a cavalry charge and certainly Sunderland pressed more determinedly in search of an equaliser but it was hardly a case of them battering at the door, even with Coleman throwing two strikers on to join Grabban.
The brutal truth was the save Sam Johnstone made in the build-up to Grabban’s strike was his only one of the night.


4. An unfamiliar central midfield

At the start of the season you would have got long odds on Sunderland going into a November game with a central midfield of Darron Gibson, George Honeyman and Lynden Gooch. For Honeyman it was a rare chance to show his new manager what he could do in his preferred position, for forward Gooch, something different.
The pair are a more energetic combination than Cattermole and Ndong, though the pressing game seemed to wear them out a bit.
At least both of them are willing to run from deep, which is something that was needed with Grabban playing quite a way in front of the rest of his team at times.
Coleman could have laid his team out differently, playing Gooch as a centre-forward in a 4-4-2, or as a winger with Aiden McGeady in the hole, so it was interesting that even with his options so limited by injuries and Cattermole’s suspension that he went with that layout




5. Coleman’s substitutions have an impact

Grayson’s substitutes did not change the course of a game often enough but it was partly thanks to Coleman’s changes that Sunderland were able to get back into the game.
As Wales manager Coleman would often send battering ram Sam Vokes on at centre-forward to try and retrieve a lost cause, and in his first game as Black Cats manager, he turned to James Vaughan as his first substitute, changing the team’s shape to 4-4-2.
Vaughan did not score Sunderland’s goal as the man on the tannoy had thought when the visiting players congratulated him more than Grabban, but it was the Merseysider’s header down which the predator was able to hook into the net.

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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2017-11-22, 1:35 am

cyprussyd wrote:Very good analysis IMO

Chris Coleman’s spell as Sunderland manager got off to a losing start but the Welshman had few complaints after his side’s 2-1 defeat to Aston Villa.
Playing at the home of a team who have found their feet after a poor start to the season with events conspiring against Coleman from the moment he walked through the door, it was no surprise the Black Cats were unable to end a winless run which now stands at 16 matches.
Coleman, though, was delighted from the effort he got from his side, patched together from the few senior players he had available.
The Welshman has barely had chance to see his new players even in training having arrived on Sunday ahead of a Tuesday night away game, so he will have gleaned a lot of new information about his players.
What did we learn and what can we expect from the team now it is under new management?


1. New manager, same old luck



Coleman knew from the minute Sunderland approached him he was letting himself in for a very difficult task, but even since his appointment, it has got harder.
Jonny Williams, who played for Coleman in Wales’ European Championships semi-final defeat to Portugal last year, will have to undergo shoulder surgery after coming out the wrong side of a challenge in Saturday’s 2-2 draw with Millwall.
Duncan Watmore will also go under the knife. In his case it will be an exploratory procedure after injuring the left knee he suffered cruciate knee ligament damage in under a year ago. Although nothing will be known for sure until he does, the fear is that he has suffered the same injury again, and will not play until next season at the earliest.
It added to a list of absentees which included Billy Jones, Marc Wilson, Didier Ndong, Lamine Kone, Jack Rodwell and the suspended Lee Cattermole. The Watmore news showed why they did not want to push Paddy McNair through a second game in three days after his cruciate knee ligament damage.
Coleman admitted after the game he had come in planning to play a different formation – he had some success with Wales playing three at the back - but had to abandon that when he saw what was available.
The Sunderland conceded a goal when Adam Matthews was lying injured and out of position, and another which deflected off Tyias Browning. It never rains but it pours on Wearside right now.


2. A change of approach



The new manager may barely have had enough time to get to know everyone’s names, but right from the start his team bore the Coleman stamp.
Too often under Simon Grayson the Black Cats’ first thought was to hoof the ball downfield, whether there was anyone to aim at or not. It was very noticeable at Villa Park that Coleman, having come out of six years of international football, was anxious for his team to pass the ball, though they were not afraid to clip it behind Villa’s back four when the runs of Lewis Grabban, or occasionally one of the midfielders, allowed.
It was an energetic pressing style and before even the first half was out it seemed to be taking its toll on the legs of some of the players. Sunderland were at their brightest in the first quarter but their commitment to playing the game properly continued throughout.

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3. Confidence still sorely lacking



Although they worked hard for their new manager, you never got the impression that Sunderland could win the game or more importantly that they thought they could win the game.
The Black Cats have made a habit of finding equalisers but not winners recently but once Albert Adomah gave Villa a tenth-minute lead with their first meaningful attack, you got the impression that was that.
Grabban’s 73rd-minute goal could have been the signal for a cavalry charge and certainly Sunderland pressed more determinedly in search of an equaliser but it was hardly a case of them battering at the door, even with Coleman throwing two strikers on to join Grabban.
The brutal truth was the save Sam Johnstone made in the build-up to Grabban’s strike was his only one of the night.


4. An unfamiliar central midfield



At the start of the season you would have got long odds on Sunderland going into a November game with a central midfield of Darron Gibson, George Honeyman and Lynden Gooch. For Honeyman it was a rare chance to show his new manager what he could do in his preferred position, for forward Gooch, something different.
The pair are a more energetic combination than Cattermole and Ndong, though the pressing game seemed to wear them out a bit.
At least both of them are willing to run from deep, which is something that was needed with Grabban playing quite a way in front of the rest of his team at times.
Coleman could have laid his team out differently, playing Gooch as a centre-forward in a 4-4-2, or as a winger with Aiden McGeady in the hole, so it was interesting that even with his options so limited by injuries and Cattermole’s suspension that he went with that layout




5. Coleman’s substitutions have an impact



Grayson’s substitutes did not change the course of a game often enough but it was partly thanks to Coleman’s changes that Sunderland were able to get back into the game.
As Wales manager Coleman would often send battering ram Sam Vokes on at centre-forward to try and retrieve a lost cause, and in his first game as Black Cats manager, he turned to James Vaughan as his first substitute, changing the team’s shape to 4-4-2.
Vaughan did not score Sunderland’s goal as the man on the tannoy had thought when the visiting players congratulated him more than Grabban, but it was the Merseysider’s header down which the predator was able to hook into the net.
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