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Post  cyprussyd on Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:50 pm

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Post  canary-dave on Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:59 pm

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Post  Billy D on Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:17 pm

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This is exactly the sort of thing that fucks me off with my country.
One I actually got off my arse to fight for.
I often wonder why I bothered.
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Post  Vincemac on Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:48 pm

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This is exactly the sort of thing that fucks me off with my country.
One I actually got off my arse to fight for.
I often wonder why I bothered.
Yeh agreed
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Post  Silvers on Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:36 pm

..and a bit more, not just the headlines.............

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As I'm sure you realize the comparison is politically motivated. For those claiming benefits payments, particularly housing, it's material whether you are co-habiting with a partner. This principle is controversial and regularly criticized by the Left as an unwarranted intrusion by the State.
David Laws entered politics after a successful business career in the City of London. He was a senior managing director at BZW so it's safe to assume he was making 7-figures a year and is a multi-millionaire. He was also secretly gay and, to disguise this, pretended to be renting accommodation in London from his partner when in fact they were cohabiting. This rent was then claimed back as a parliamentary expense. By not disclosing the relationship between them he broke the rules on expenses and had to resign as a minister. Daily Telegraph 28 May 2010
In his defence it was accepted by the Parliamentary standards body that his actions were motivated by wanting to hide his sexuality rather than financial gain. It was also pointed out that if he'd nominated his constituency home as a second home (which was absolutely commonplace for MPs of all parties) he could have claimed a lot more money without breaking the rules in the slightest.Official Parliamentary Report
How accurate is the comparison? Not very. Carol Irving systematically and deliberately defrauded the taxpayer by failing to disclose her personal circumstances. David Laws inadvertently broke the rules on parliamentary expenses as a side-effect of trying to conceal his sexuality. Just 'working the system' in a completely legal way would have netted him far more money.
"Single mum Carol Irving was sent to jail for six months in June for benefit fraud after failing to tell the authorities she had a partner living with her. ... The mum of four, from Plymouth, told the city’s crown court she would not have been able to feed her family if she had declared her true circumstances." Mirror report

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Post  oldblackcat on Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:39 am

Do you not think that Technically they both did wrong so the sentence should be the same? "I was attempting to hide my sexuality" is a better excuse than "I would not be able to feed my family"?
Oh I forgot...food banks....maybe the post is politically motivated but it just looks like another rich man evading punishment to me
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Post  cyprussyd on Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:42 am

oldblackcat wrote:Do you not think that Technically they both did wrong so the sentence should be the same? "I was attempting to hide my sexuality" is a better excuse than "I would not be able to feed my family"?
Oh I forgot...food banks....maybe the post is politically motivated but it just looks like another rich man evading punishment to me
In my eyes yes both did wrong and yes it's a politically motivated post but the punishment, one a loss of liberty and the other?

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Post  Billy D on Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:22 am

Silvers wrote:..and a bit more, not just the headlines.............

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As I'm sure you realize the comparison is politically motivated. For those claiming benefits payments, particularly housing, it's material whether you are co-habiting with a partner. This principle is controversial and regularly criticized by the Left as an unwarranted intrusion by the State.
David Laws entered politics after a successful business career in the City of London. He was a senior managing director at BZW so it's safe to assume he was making 7-figures a year and is a multi-millionaire. He was also secretly gay and, to disguise this, pretended to be renting accommodation in London from his partner when in fact they were cohabiting. This rent was then claimed back as a parliamentary expense. By not disclosing the relationship between them he broke the rules on expenses and had to resign as a minister. Daily Telegraph 28 May 2010
In his defence it was accepted by the Parliamentary standards body that his actions were motivated by wanting to hide his sexuality rather than financial gain. It was also pointed out that if he'd nominated his constituency home as a second home (which was absolutely commonplace for MPs of all parties) he could have claimed a lot more money without breaking the rules in the slightest.Official Parliamentary Report
How accurate is the comparison? Not very. Carol Irving systematically and deliberately defrauded the taxpayer by failing to disclose her personal circumstances. David Laws inadvertently broke the rules on parliamentary expenses as a side-effect of trying to conceal his sexuality. Just 'working the system' in a completely legal way would have netted him far more money.
"Single mum Carol Irving was sent to jail for six months in June for benefit fraud after failing to tell the authorities she had a partner living with her. ... The mum of four, from Plymouth, told the city’s crown court she would not have been able to feed her family if she had declared her true circumstances." Mirror report

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Bollox.
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Post  cyprussyd on Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:52 pm

Silvers wrote:..and a bit more, not just the headlines.............

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As I'm sure you realize the comparison is politically motivated. For those claiming benefits payments, particularly housing, it's material whether you are co-habiting with a partner. This principle is controversial and regularly criticized by the Left as an unwarranted intrusion by the State.
David Laws entered politics after a successful business career in the City of London. He was a senior managing director at BZW so it's safe to assume he was making 7-figures a year and is a multi-millionaire. He was also secretly gay and, to disguise this, pretended to be renting accommodation in London from his partner when in fact they were cohabiting. This rent was then claimed back as a parliamentary expense. By not disclosing the relationship between them he broke the rules on expenses and had to resign as a minister. Daily Telegraph 28 May 2010
In his defence it was accepted by the Parliamentary standards body that his actions were motivated by wanting to hide his sexuality rather than financial gain. It was also pointed out that if he'd nominated his constituency home as a second home (which was absolutely commonplace for MPs of all parties) he could have claimed a lot more money without breaking the rules in the slightest.Official Parliamentary Report
How accurate is the comparison? Not very. Carol Irving systematically and deliberately defrauded the taxpayer by failing to disclose her personal circumstances. David Laws inadvertently broke the rules on parliamentary expenses as a side-effect of trying to conceal his sexuality. Just 'working the system' in a completely legal way would have netted him far more money.
"Single mum Carol Irving was sent to jail for six months in June for benefit fraud after failing to tell the authorities she had a partner living with her. ... The mum of four, from Plymouth, told the city’s crown court she would not have been able to feed her family if she had declared her true circumstances." Mirror report

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I think it shows very clearly how there is an us and them system, yes Carol broke the law and for it was sent to prison but Laws inadvertently broke the rules.

Coincidentally one is a single mother of 4 I believe and the other a rich man.

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Post  sunderpitt on Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:23 pm

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This is exactly the sort of thing that fucks me off with my country.
One I actually got off my arse to fight for.
I often wonder why I bothered.


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