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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-10-19, 11:34 am

Northern Ireland football boss Michael O'Neill pleads guilty to drink driving.
Should he be sacked, yes from me, time to set standards.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-10-19, 12:02 pm

No. he is the best manager Northern Ireland have had for years and they need him.

It is a terrible thing to drink and drive (how times change eh?) but he has been dealt with by the courts and everyone is entitled to a second chance, to learn from making a mistake.

The FAI should ensure he goes on a 'do not drink and drive' course, and seeks help with alcohol problems, a more likely cause of the drink driving anyway, so he understands the gravity of what he did.

But IMO he should not lose his job over it. THIS TIME anyway. It needs to be made clear there are no third chances though.
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-10-19, 12:21 pm

So some crimes that can kill are forgivable providing he is a good manager.

I read a lot about role models, Adam Johnson a classic case and I am so anti drink driving that I see any role model who is caught drink driving should pay a bigger price than we mere mortals.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-10-19, 1:13 pm

cyprussyd wrote:So some crimes that can kill are forgivable providing he is a good manager.

I read a lot about role models, Adam Johnson a classic case and I am so anti drink driving that I see any role model who is caught drink driving should pay a bigger price than we mere mortals.
I never said it was a forgiveable crime. Drink driving is selfish and stupid and criminal. But he was charged and prosecuted and sentenced. The law has dealt with it and now the FAI will deal with the consequences according to their procedures for such situations. My views, and yours for that matter, have no bearing on what happens next, but the thread asked for an opinion and I offered it.

I will never condone drink driving. But I do understand human weakness and try not to judge. There but for the grace of God go any of us, if not drink driving, some other stupid thing that can cause harm to others due to a foolish lapse of judgement.

If O'Neill has a drink problem he needs help. Fortunately this time he got away without injury to himself or anyone else. Losing his job will not stop him doing it again, and may make it MORE likely, perhaps with far more serious consequences.  Keeping his job with the understanding that he seeks treatment, and that there will be no more chances, may make him address the issues he has with alcohol.

I hope so.
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-10-19, 2:35 pm

Hieronymus wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:So some crimes that can kill are forgivable providing he is a good manager.

I read a lot about role models, Adam Johnson a classic case and I am so anti drink driving that I see any role model who is caught drink driving should pay a bigger price than we mere mortals.
I never said it was a forgiveable crime. Drink driving is selfish and stupid and criminal. But he was charged and prosecuted and sentenced. The law has dealt with it and now the FAI will deal with the consequences according to their procedures for such situations. My views, and yours for that matter, have no bearing on what happens next, but the thread asked for an opinion and I offered it.

I will never condone drink driving. But I do understand human weakness and try not to judge. There but for the grace of God go any of us, if not drink driving, some other stupid thing that can cause harm to others due to a foolish lapse of judgement.

If O'Neill has a drink problem he needs help. Fortunately this time he got away without injury to himself or anyone else. Losing his job will not stop him doing it again, and may make it MORE likely, perhaps with far more serious consequences.  Keeping his job with the understanding that he seeks treatment, and that there will be no more chances, may make him address the issues he has with alcohol.

I hope so.
Not arguing H the forum is all about opinion and I thank you for giving yours.

I'm sure your opinion is far more popular than mine indeed in many ways I agree with your opinion I guess my gripe is when is a role model a role model?

Many role models are dealt with in law far more severely than Joe Public and I also understand that but hopefully O'Neil will receive a harsher punishment, if not by the law then by the football authorities otherwise we could be sending out the message that drink driving is not that big a deal. Just my opinion.

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Post  vinkel on 2017-10-19, 2:51 pm

Many many years ago I foolishly lost my license for dd.  It was not work related so I did not lose my job over it . Neither should he. He will be dealt with appropriately.

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