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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-09-12, 3:36 pm

Two articles today on Sunderland AFC's attitude to their successful women's team.

I think this is such a backward step. SAFC Ladies has been punching above its weight; Women's FA Cup semi-finalists last year and just look how many internationals we have recently produced even though none of them now play for us since the return to part-time status. Our Ladies team, and the success of so many women players from our area, was something to be proud of, especially in times when pride in our mens team is almost non-existent. First with the return to part time status, and now this, removing access to academy training facilities and moving them next door to Newcastle United's training ground, as well as making them play at a distant 'home' ground altogether, just shows how little the club and the FA care about the women's game.

I accept the changes the FA have made to the womens super league, by returning to a winter season, made things difficult, but as the second article says, logistical issues always seem to be overcome in the men's game, and it really would not take much to accommodate both the youths and the ladies, if the will was there.

Sunderland Ladies lose access to first-team training facilities at Academy of Light

• Move to winter season means training no longer logistically possible, say club
• Evening training sessions clash with those of junior men’s development teams
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Sunderland Ladies will be relocated from their current ground at the Hetton Centre. Photograph: Serena Taylor/The FA via Getty Images

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Sunderland’s women’s team will no longer share training facilities with the club’s men’s first XI at the Academy of Light and are also set to move grounds.


Stadium of Light executives have implemented the shift in response to the Women’s Super League moving from a summer to a winter game – the new WSL1 season starts this month – and their women’s side recently switching from full-time to part-time status.
They say that, with Melanie Reay’s team now training in the evenings, it is no longer logistically possible for them to stage practice sessions at the Academy of Light, where junior men’s development teams use the indoor barn at night and the outdoor pitches lack floodlights.
Accordingly the side who finished a creditable fifth in this year’s WSL Spring Series are set to relocate to Northumbria University’s Coach Lane Campus in Benton, a northern suburb of Newcastle. Almost literally a long goal-kick from Newcastle United’s training ground, Coach Lane houses an FA elite training centre.
Although it is only 13 miles north of the Academy of Light by the fastest route, traffic around Tyneside is infamously heavy in the early evenings and those players travelling from jobs and homes in Wearside and North Yorkshire will inevitably face big queues to get through the Tyne Tunnel or over the city’s bridges. Nonetheless [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] officials say the women are “excited” by the impending move and will appreciate their new base’s “bespoke” facilities.
The club is also finalising negotiations to move Reay’s squad from their present match-day base at the Hetton Centre, in Hetton-Le-Hole, to a ground share with the leading local men’s non-league side South Shields.
The well appointed Mariners Park, situated 12 miles north of the Hetton Centre, is arguably a better venue for the women because of its superior road and public transport links. Sunderland, who will pay to use Northumbria University’s facilities, will finance work in updating the changing facilities and certain seating areas at South Shields to comply with WSL regulations.
With assorted Sunderland development teams playing at the Hetton Centre, fixture clashes occasioned by the new WSL winter season are said to have driven the transfer to South Shields, where they now hope to attract bigger crowds.
Meanwhile the club is adamant that Reay’s squad will continue to have access to the excellent medical facilites they currently enjoy, including readily available physiotherapy and fast-track access to the leading orthopaedic surgeon male Sunderland players suffering lower limb injuries are routinely referred to.
With the club, relegated to the Championship last season, deeply in debt, there are fears the moves to South Shields and Coach Lane could signal a future divorce from the women’s squad.
Martin Bain, the chief executive, reverted the team to part-time status partly on cost-cutting grounds but is understood to have initiated the double relocations purely bceause of logistical problems occasioned by the new winter women’s season.

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Sunderland’s relocation from the Academy of Light and from their ground makes them the first casualties of the switch to a winter Women’s Super League season but the parallels with PSG show this is a wider issue
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Sunderland Ladies, whose midfielder Madeline Hill, right, is in action here against Manchester City, are having to move to a different stadium and training ground. Photograph: Manchester City FC via Getty Images  


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The decision of Sunderland to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] – turfed off the Academy of Light training pitches and out of their Hetton Centre home ground – follows a worrying pattern. The move, from the club that kickstarted the careers of a host of England internationals now laden with silverware such as Lucy Bronze, Jill Scott, Demi Stokes, Jordan Nobbs and the Manchester City and England captain Steph Houghton, is a further blow to a team who seemed to be thriving in recent years.
Promotion to the top tier of women’s football in 2015, having won the WSL 2, was followed by an impressive fourth-place finish – staying in the WSL 1 after promotion is increasingly difficult as the gulf between those arriving in the league and the professional teams at the top continues to grow. A challenging 2016 saw them drop to seventh, before they pulled up to fifth behind Chelsea, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool – the top four professionalised sides – in the Spring Series at the start of the year.
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That Spring Series position was all the more impressive given the situation the players found themselves in four months before the interim league got under way. An announcement of reversion to part-time status after three years with a mixture of full-time and part-time players – misleadingly [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Martin Bain – reflected the commitment of the club to its women’s team. It forced out players such as the Northern Ireland international Rachel Furness, in search of full-time employment elsewhere.
This latest change from the club, which will add lengthy journey times to evening training for a side made up entirely of part-time players and distances the women’s side from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] AFC as a whole, is the first noticeable casualty of the FA’s decision to switch the league from a summer to winter season. The players are understood to be disappointed, partly because there will be a drop in the quality of the facilities.
Although the seasonal change is beneficial to players’ personal lives, leaving fewer random intervals between games (maintaining momentum) and fits in significantly better with the international calendar, how clubs balance their women’s teams’ training and playing alongside the men’s timetables remains unknown.
What we do know is that on the list of a club’s priorities, the men’s team will always come out on top. The women must clear off the official Sunderland training pitches and head to Northumbria University’s Coach Lane campus to make way for the men’s youth teams. It’s also what is happening in Paris, where [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the Champions League runners-up Paris Saint-Germain are being forced to find a new home, with pitch priority being given to the boys’ youth teams at the Camp des Loges training centre. Even at the top, women’s football doesn’t even play second fiddle.
In north-east England, following on from the decision to switch back to part-time players, Sunderland’s commitment to its women’s team has to be questioned.

The future for a Sunderland women’s team who reached the 2016 FA Cup semi-final looks bleak. A move so far from their home, within touching distance of their local rivals Newcastle, could be devastating. BBC figures showed the Black Cats were one of three WSL clubs in 2016 to see a drop in attendances on the previous year. Turnout at the Hetton Centre fell by 24%, the biggest drop in WSL 1, to an average of 710. A logistically problematic move for fans could well send those figures plummeting further, increasingly harming sustainability. Yes, balancing conflicting schedules is hard but in the men’s game solutions to problems are found. There is no challenge too big – a World Cup in the searing Qatari heat is doable, Tottenham can play a season at Wembley; there are many examples. In contrast the women’s game logistical barriers, even relatively small ones, become insurmountable.
The regression of the Black Cats, alongside [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] just weeks after the FA announced its impressive Gameplan for Growth – aiming to double participation and support for women’s football by 2020 – show some of the huge hurdles the still fledging sport faces on the road to sustainability. Tragically at present no club is safe.
The news, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] last week, that the FA is consulting on whether to change the Women’s Super League into a fully-professional one-tier league presents further challenges. Everyone with an interest in women’s football wants to see professionalism increase. The intention is correct: more professional sides in the top tier will help increase the competitiveness of the league across the board. Competitive leagues are more attractive for sponsors and spectators. However after a battle to open up promotion and relegation to and from the WSL in 2016, of which Women’s Premier League winners Tottenham are the latest beneficiaries, there is also a feeling that removing on-field rewards in favour of league placement based on meeting off-field criteria isn’t the way to go about solving these problems. Clubs lower down the ladder and at grassroots level, those crucial to the long-term growth of the sport, won’t be big beneficiaries of this move. In fact the gap between themselves and the top will look increasingly large.
Clubs such as Sunderland would find their league status under threat. Whether this move would motivate them to meet the FA’s licensing requirements and seriously commit to the growth of women’s football or cut ties with their women’s team entirely is impossible to tell. But their recent track record offers an indication of attitudes at the club. With women’s teams reliant on men’s clubs it’s very difficult to see a time where the women’s team is not the first thing to face the axe when the going gets tough.
Tinkering with the set-up of the women’s leagues is necessary, from top to bottom. They are not perfect by any stretch. But wholesale change at this stage may be premature. The WSL was created in 2011, the WSL 2 in 2014. The switch to a winter season is taking place this year. It doesn’t feel like these leagues have had time to develop. Such frequent change means we haven’t had a period of stability to accurately assess how well these formats work. Ultimately these seemingly bold moves could be detrimental to the long-term viability of the women’s rickety pyramid.

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-09-12, 4:14 pm

Sexisim is alive and kicking at SAFC

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-09-12, 4:18 pm

cyprussyd wrote:Sexisim is alive and kicking at SAFC
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-09-12, 4:25 pm

Hieronymus wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:Sexisim is alive and kicking at SAFC
And the FA Mad
I kind of expect it from the FA but thought we at Sunderland were better than that.

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-09-12, 4:27 pm

Its strange sitting where I do, you forget about men and woman because we have loads of ladies sitting around me so we all sort of blend in to poor souls who keep on going back.

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-09-13, 8:58 am

Maybe I was a little unfair on our club. The change has come about due to a change in the women's soccer season, they now play at the same time as the youth team so clash on using training facilities and the ground at Hetton.

So they have moved to better facilities but are still funded by the club.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-09-13, 11:51 am

cyprussyd wrote:Maybe I was a little unfair on our club. The change has come about due to a change in the women's soccer season, they now play at the same time as the youth team so clash on using training facilities and the ground at Hetton.

So they have moved to better facilities but are still funded by the club.
SAFC does not fund the ladies team and never has except in offering them the use of their facilities as a 'benefit in kind'. The accounts show no payments to SAFC ladies team, only that SAFC own the 100 shares for the limited company.

The ladies team receives all their funding from the FA and commercial deals. WSL full time professonal teams received £70,000 from the FA last year and will get £92,500 this year. They also get prize money depending how far they get in various competitions but winning the Women's FA Cup for example only nets around £10k for the club. Woopde doo! These vast sums allowed SAFC ladies to employ a full time coach and pay minimal travel expenses for the women players, hence why so many moved on to Man City and Arsenal etc. where they actually get paid a reasonable wage as professionals. The full time coach left as soon as they decided to go part time again as the FA funding also reduced.

Anyway,  I do think SAFC have been supportive in the past, as far as using facilities goes anyway, but in reality the women's team appears now to be just a distraction, one the club was happy to maximise PR from when the ladies team were winning and producing successful players. Now they have been forced to go part time and are struggling a little, this feels a lot like putting the boot in.

As I said above 'logistical' issues can always be sorted for the men's teams Do the youths train EVERY evening? Do they play at Hetton EVERY evening? Could the ladies not be accommodated a couple of hours in early evenings once or twice a week for training, and one day a fortnight, or even less, given the numbers involved, for playing home matches? I think so, with a bit of effort and some good will on all sides. But that good will seems to be missing these days Crying or Very sad

I wish the ladies well in their new home ground and good luck for the coming season.
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-09-13, 3:29 pm

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cyprussyd wrote:Maybe I was a little unfair on our club. The change has come about due to a change in the women's soccer season, they now play at the same time as the youth team so clash on using training facilities and the ground at Hetton.

So they have moved to better facilities but are still funded by the club.
SAFC does not fund the ladies team and never has except in offering them the use of their facilities as a 'benefit in kind'. The accounts show no payments to SAFC ladies team, only that SAFC own the 100 shares for the limited company.

The ladies team receives all their funding from the FA and commercial deals. WSL full time professonal teams received £70,000 from the FA last year and will get £92,500 this year. They also get prize money depending how far they get in various competitions but winning the Women's FA Cup for example only nets around £10k for the club. Woopde doo! These vast sums allowed SAFC ladies to employ a full time coach and pay minimal travel expenses for the women players, hence why so many moved on to Man City and Arsenal etc. where they actually get paid a reasonable wage as professionals. The full time coach left as soon as they decided to go part time again as the FA funding also reduced.

Anyway,  I do think SAFC have been supportive in the past, as far as using facilities goes anyway, but in reality the women's team appears now to be just a distraction, one the club was happy to maximise PR from when the ladies team were winning and producing successful players. Now they have been forced to go part time and are struggling a little, this feels a lot like putting the boot in.

As I said above 'logistical' issues can always be sorted for the men's teams Do the youths train EVERY evening? Do they play at Hetton EVERY evening? Could the ladies not be accommodated a couple of hours in early evenings once or twice a week for training, and one day a fortnight, or even less, given the numbers involved, for playing home matches? I think so, with a bit of effort and some good will on all sides. But that good will seems to be missing these days Crying or Very sad

I wish the ladies well in their new home ground and good luck for the coming season.
Just what was said last night on radio Newcastle, maybe not fund but they did say pay for all medical requirements.

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Sunderland Ladies will play their home fixtures for the forthcoming Women’s Super League (WSL) 1 season at Mariners Park, in South Shields.
The home of Northern Premier League side South Shields FC is set to welcome the Lady Black Cats for their opening game against Chelsea on Saturday 30th September, kicking off at 6pm.

The moving of the WSL to a winter league has highlighted some scheduling conflicts with other fixtures at the Eppleton Colliery Welfare Ground and Mariners Park has provided a great solution for the club. Centrally located for easy supporter access, the ground can accommodate up to 3,500 spectators.

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The club began in 1989 as a five-a-side team called The Kestrels and won the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (WFA) Yorkshire and Humberside League in 1990. Over the next decade they competed in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as Cowgate Kestrels, RTM Newcastle Kestrels and Blyth Spartans Kestrels.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] In 2000 the club merged with an independent Sunderland Ladies club, to become Sunderland Women's FC, after winning promotion to the top tier [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for the first time. The new club was originally financed as part of the established professional [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] men's club, but following financial troubles in 2004, the women's side was forced to become financially independent. Sunderland A.F.C. only provided some kit and the home ground.

Maybe they'll merge with Newcastle and go back to their roots??? (nicked that from our marketing people at SAFC Laughing )

Remember the all conquering Sunderland basketball team? They had to leave their home at Sunderland Leisure centre...moved to Washington and I'm pretty sure ended up as the now all conquering Newcastle basketball team....hope this doesn't end up happening with the Women's football team....even if we gave them a week's worth of Rodwell's wages it would help them and what about a different night to train? surely the club could do something to help??
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oldblackcat wrote:The club began in 1989 as a five-a-side team called The Kestrels and won the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (WFA) Yorkshire and Humberside League in 1990. Over the next decade they competed in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as Cowgate Kestrels, RTM Newcastle Kestrels and Blyth Spartans Kestrels.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] In 2000 the club merged with an independent Sunderland Ladies club, to become Sunderland Women's FC, after winning promotion to the top tier [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for the first time. The new club was originally financed as part of the established professional [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] men's club, but following financial troubles in 2004, the women's side was forced to become financially independent. Sunderland A.F.C. only provided some kit and the home ground.

Maybe they'll merge with Newcastle and go back to their roots??? (nicked that from our marketing people at SAFC Laughing )

Remember the all conquering Sunderland basketball team? They had to leave their home at Sunderland Leisure centre...moved to Washington and I'm pretty sure ended up as the now all conquering Newcastle basketball team....hope this doesn't end up happening with the Women's football team....even if we gave them a week's worth of Rodwell's wages it would help them and what about a different night to train? surely the club could do something to help??
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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-09-14, 9:53 am

The Women's team are really just victim of the cuts by Short/Bain are they not?
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LADIES SECURE HOST OF NEW SIGNINGS
Sunderland AFC Ladies have bolstered their ranks by bringing in a host of new signings ahead of their FA Women’s Super League (WSL) 1 campaign.
French-American midfielder Zaneta Wyne, 27, who has experience in the UEFA Women’s Champions League, joins from Icelandic side Thor.
Austrian forward Simona Koren, 24, joins from MSV Duisburg in Germany, subject to international clearance, while midfielder Kasia Lipka, also 24, joins from Doncaster Rovers Belles.
All three players have signed one-year deals, as the Lady Black Cats look to capitalise on their impressive fourth-place finish in the WSL Spring series.
Speaking about the signings, manager Melanie Reay said: “It was always an important task for us to add real quality to our side in this window and these signings certainly do that.
“Their profile and ambition match what we have at the club and we’re all really looking forward to seeing them on the field for us.”
Tyler Dodds has also re-joined the club after a spell with Durham, meaning Sunderland have secured six new faces this summer, after the arrivals of Rachael Laws and Ellie Stewart last week.
Sunderland kick-off the season when Chelsea visit their new home of Mariners Park, South Shields, on Saturday 30 September, 6pm kick-off.
South Shields FC season ticket holders can enjoy half-priced entry to the Chelsea game upon production of their South Shields season ticket. Season cards will go on sale this week and can be purchased by emailing [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Season ticket prices for the new FA Women’s Super League season have been held for the third consecutive year, priced at £40 for adults and £15 for under 18s and over 65s. A family ticket for one adult & one child is £50 and two adults & two children £95.

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