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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-07-12, 10:34 pm

Sat 15 Jul
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After a good win at Livingstone we move on to Perth and the Scottish Premiership.
By all accounts the two stars are Khazri and Maja who are both looking good but can we keep Khazri?


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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-07-14, 6:47 pm

St Johnstone v Sunderland
McDiarmid Park
Saturday 15 July
3pm
Sunderland take on St Johnstone on Saturday as their pre-season tour of Scotland comes to a close and the Sky Bet Championship season edges closer.
The match-up is an intriguing one with Sunderland fans likely to catch a first glimpse of new recruits, as Tyrias Browning, Aiden McGeady and James Vaughan wait to make their debuts.
But it will be the Black Cats’ toughest pre-season outing to date, with Tommy Wright’s side already fighting fit after facing UEFA Europa League qualifiers in recent weeks.  
EUROPE
St Johnstone enjoyed a terrific season last year and a fourth-place finish in the Ladbrokes Premiership led to UEFA Europa League qualification, with Rangers, Aberdeen and unbeaten champions Celtic the only sides to finish higher in Scotland’s top tier. But the Saints European adventure didn’t quite go as planned, and it’s already come to an end. A costly 2-1 defeat at home in the first leg against Trakai gave Wright’s side work to do, but there was no way back as the Lithuanian side clinched a 1-0 win in the second leg to progress. The St Johnstone boss insists there will be ‘no league hangover’ and that his troops will once again battle with Scotland’s best during the upcoming campaign, but nevertheless it’s been a frustrating start to the season in Perth.
ATTACKING OPTIONS
The red and white army have backed the Lads in numbers so far this pre-season, and despite a lengthy trip north they’ll be plenty of interest in Saturday’s game. Why? New signings, and attacking ones at that. Thursday’s double deal saw McGeady and  Vaughan sign on the dotted line as Grayson bolstered his attack with two players he’s worked with – and got the best out of – in the past. McGeady spent last season on loan with Preston North End and under Grayson he was back to his best, notching eight goals and seven assist during his time at Deepdale. And Vaughan also joins the club in white-hot form having banged in goal after goal for Bury last season, with Billy Sharp the only League One player to find the net on more occasions. It remains to be seen if either will feature, but Vaughan arrives raring to go having played against the Lads one week ago at Gigg Lane.
NUMBER ONE
Vito Mannone was rested on Wednesday evening but the Italian will return to action at McDiarmid Park. In the wake of Wednesday’s 3-0 win, Grayson revealed that he wanted to take a closer look at Mika and give Max Stryjek valuable minutes following his return to the club after the U21 European Championships. Both stoppers impressed at the Tony Macaroni Arena with Mika confident and calm as the Black Cats bossed proceedings. And Stryjek was equally comfortable as the Lads registered a first clean sheet of the season. Over to you, Vito.
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Wahbi Khazri has been simply unstoppable in pre-season. The Tunisian ran riot against Hibernian last weekend and he deservedly opened the scoring midway through the opening period – and he repeated that feat midweek as he capped another impressive outing with a goal. Khazri, 26, made just 15 league appearances last season but he seems determined to impress this pre-season and is likely to play a key role on Saturday.
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Post  silvers on 2017-07-15, 2:40 pm

Well, just tuned in.

Score is 3 - 0 to the Perth side after half an hour...

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Just in myself, should have stayed at the Coxhoe Branch AGM

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Post  talcnturnip on 2017-07-15, 4:17 pm

These games as said earlier are Graysons best chance to have a look at what he has available and where he needs to strengthen. If he was given the job earlier then these games would be about fine tuning the starting eleven.
Not a great result but after previous pre season highs not reading anything into these.

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-07-15, 5:06 pm

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Simon Grayson pulled no punches in his post-match assessment of Sunderland’s 3-0 defeat at St Johnstone.
The Black Cats have undergone an intense fitness-building regime since returning to training, but while the manager acknowledged their workload he warned they must be better and show more desire if they’re to be successful.
Steven MacLean opened the scoring after the home side were awarded an indirect free-kick just six yards from goal, and the Saints continued their ascendancy soon after as David Wotherspoon’s quickfire double completed a frenetic and frustrating six-minute spell. 
A host of second-half substitutes saw a number of youngsters inject fresh desire and vigour into Sunderland’s play and for that Grayson awarded praise, but he warned his players that failure to work hard without the ball at any level simply isn’t good enough.
“It was hugely disappointing to lose three early goals like we did and we shouldn’t be doing that.
“It’s been coming I think over the last few games when we’ve been too easy to play against.”
He continued: “If you break the game down I thought we were lively in the first 10-15 minutes and we were a threat going forward, but then we had a crazy seven minutes.
“We conceded a goal and that happens but you then have to make sure you don’t concede another and ultimately another one after that because it gives you a mountain to climb, so it’s disappointing and the attitude wasn’t what I wanted at times.
“The only excuse I’ll give to the players is that they’ve had a tough week with training so fatigue may have played a part, but that’s still no excuse because they have to have a desire to be better and stop the opposition from playing.
“There’s good players here on the ball and that’s not a problem, but it’s what we do without it that will be the problem throughout the season if we’re not careful.
“It’s no coincidence that when the young lads came on they had a desire and a hunger to run around and make an impact on the game – if don't do that and work hard at any level of football anybody could play.
“It’s an ingredient the players have to have and the mindset has to change as we’ve been speaking about over the last couple of weeks, and if they don’t want to do it one or two players can go elsewhere.”

Steven MacLean opened the scoring after the home side were awarded an indirect free-kick just six yards from goal, and the Saints continued their ascendancy soon after as David Wotherspoon’s quickfire double completed a frenetic and frustrating six-minute spell. 
A host of second-half substitutes saw a number of youngsters inject fresh desire and vigour into Sunderland’s play and for that Grayson awarded praise, but he warned his players that failure to work hard without the ball at any level simply isn’t good enough.
“It was hugely disappointing to lose three early goals like we did and we shouldn’t be doing that.
“It’s been coming I think over the last few games when we’ve been too easy to play against.”
He continued: “If you break the game down I thought we were lively in the first 10-15 minutes and we were a threat going forward, but then we had a crazy seven minutes.
“We conceded a goal and that happens but you then have to make sure you don’t concede another and ultimately another one after that because it gives you a mountain to climb, so it’s disappointing and the attitude wasn’t what I wanted at times.
“The only excuse I’ll give to the players is that they’ve had a tough week with training so fatigue may have played a part, but that’s still no excuse because they have to have a desire to be better and stop the opposition from playing.
“There’s good players here on the ball and that’s not a problem, but it’s what we do without it that will be the problem throughout the season if we’re not careful.
“It’s no coincidence that when the young lads came on they had a desire and a hunger to run around and make an impact on the game – if don't do that and work hard at any level of football anybody could play.
“It’s an ingredient the players have to have and the mindset


The Black Cats have undergone an intense fitness-building regime since returning to training, but while the manager acknowledged their workload he warned they must be better and show more desire if they’re to be successful.
Steven MacLean opened the scoring after the home side were awarded an indirect free-kick just six yards from goal, and the Saints continued their ascendancy soon after as David Wotherspoon’s quickfire double completed a frenetic and frustrating six-minute spell.
A host of second-half substitutes saw a number of youngsters inject fresh desire and vigour into Sunderland’s play and for that Grayson awarded praise, but he warned his players that failure to work hard without the ball at any level simply isn’t good enough.
“It was hugely disappointing to lose three early goals like we did and we shouldn’t be doing that.
“It’s been coming I think over the last few games when we’ve been too easy to play against.”
He continued: “If you break the game down I thought we were lively in the first 10-15 minutes and we were a threat going forward, but then we had a crazy seven minutes.
“We conceded a goal and that happens but you then have to make sure you don’t concede another and ultimately another one after that because it gives you a mountain to climb, so it’s disappointing and the attitude wasn’t what I wanted at times.
“The only excuse I’ll give to the players is that they’ve had a tough week with training so fatigue may have played a part, but that’s still no excuse because they have to have a desire to be better and stop the opposition from playing.
“There’s good players here on the ball and that’s not a problem, but it’s what we do without it that will be the problem throughout the season if we’re not careful.
“It’s no coincidence that when the young lads came on they had a desire and a hunger to run around and make an impact on the game – if don't do that and work hard at any level of football anybody could play.
“It’s an ingredient the players have to have and the mindset has to change as we’ve been speaking about over the last couple of weeks, and if they don’t want to do it one or t


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St Johnstone's Zander Clark taken to hospital during win over Sunderland



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[size=11]Zander Clark collided with Jack Rodwell

St Johnstone goalkeeper Zander Clark has been taken to hospital after an injury picked in a 3-0 friendly win over Sunderland.
The 25-year-old was carried off on a stretcher with a head knock just before the break at McDiarmid Park.
Clark collided with Jack Rodwell as the midfielder had a goal disallowed.
Steven MacLean fired Saints into the lead after 18 minutes and two more from David Wotherspoon within another six minutes put the Perth side in command.[/size]

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cyprussyd wrote:St Johnstone's Zander Clark taken to hospital during win over Sunderland



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[size=11]Zander Clark collided with Jack Rodwell

St Johnstone goalkeeper Zander Clark has been taken to hospital after an injury picked in a 3-0 friendly win over Sunderland.
The 25-year-old was carried off on a stretcher with a head knock just before the break at McDiarmid Park.
Clark collided with Jack Rodwell as the midfielder had a goal disallowed.
Steven MacLean fired Saints into the lead after 18 minutes and two more from David Wotherspoon within another six minutes put the Perth side in command.[/size]

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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-07-15, 5:20 pm

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cyprussyd wrote:St Johnstone's Zander Clark taken to hospital during win over Sunderland



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[size=13]Zander Clark collided with Jack Rodwell

St Johnstone goalkeeper Zander Clark has been taken to hospital after an injury picked in a 3-0 friendly win over Sunderland.
The 25-year-old was carried off on a stretcher with a head knock just before the break at McDiarmid Park.
Clark collided with Jack Rodwell as the midfielder had a goal disallowed.
Steven MacLean fired Saints into the lead after 18 minutes and two more from David Wotherspoon within another six minutes put the Perth side in command.[/size]

Got to be very unlucky getting injured when colliding with a sick note!  Rolling Eyes Very Happy

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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-07-15, 5:27 pm

The performance in the 1st half was awful...Grayson has got a job with that lot
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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-07-15, 6:41 pm

I just put it down to very hard training in last few days, and of course some players will have been affected by the events of yesterday too.

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Post  barrowmackem on 2017-07-15, 6:42 pm

SG already talking about attitude or lack of it. People not working when we don't have the ball, hinted they will be shipped if it continues.

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-07-15, 6:55 pm

barrowmackem wrote:SG already talking about attitude or lack of it. People not working when we don't have the ball, hinted they will be shipped if it continues.
Dont think he hinted, he told them straight out, give your all or ship out

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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-07-15, 7:09 pm

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barrowmackem wrote:SG already talking about attitude or lack of it. People not working when we don't have the ball, hinted they will be shipped if it continues.
Dont think he hinted, he told them straight out, give your all or ship out

Yep Di Cano tried that as well....i hope Grayson gives a list to Bains to get rid.

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Sunderland fell to a 3-0 defeat against St Johnstone on Saturday. Here's how the players got on one by one.... First XI 


Vito Mannone Unfortunate slip opened the floodgates after a bright start for the visitors. Beaten at his near post for the second. 


Adam Matthews A quiet game given the chaos elsewhere in the backline. Switched to the left for the second half. 


John O’Shea He and Galloway were too often caught well apart in the first half as Wotherspoon was presented with a number of golden opportunities, two of which he converted. 


Lamine Kone The three goals came from the opposite flank to Kone but nevertheless looked well off the pace and was lucky not to be caught in possession in a couple of vulnerable positions. 


Brendan Galloway A 45 to forget for the loanee. Beaten far too easily for the second with St Johnstone regularly causing problems down the right. 


Lee Cattermole Not as dominant as the previous two games in Scotland but certainly one of the better players off the ball. 


Wahbi Khazri Two fine passes to set Vaughan and Rodwell free but nowhere near as influential on the whole. Drew Grayson’s ire when he opted to shoot from a free-kick near the touchline. 


Jack Rodwell Wasn’t able to exert much of an influence on the game from the number ten position. Spurned a good chance at 3-0 when he stubbed an effort wide. 


Didier Ndong Looked fitter and sharper than other pre-season games but wasteful with the ball and struggled, as some Sunderland players did, to keep his footing. 


Jeremain Lens Superb awareness to win to steal a march on the left back and win a penalty, plus a brilliant touch and cross to set up Vaughan later in the half. Flashes of real quality when he can get in the game. 


James Vaughan A penalty and an open goal missed made it a false start for the new number nine. In the bigger picture looked good in the air and knitted the play together well in the opening stages. Impressive given he has not yet trained with team-mates. 


Subs 
Max Stryjek No saves to make but was caught in no-mans land from one St Johnstone corner. Donald Love Second half appearance lasted less than 20 minutes before being taken off with an injury. Tyias Browning Said he would keep it simple at centre-half and that was very much the case on his debut. Largely untroubled but a couple of thunderous clearances when called upon. Papy Djilobodji Looked confident again. One particularly excellent covering tackle to prevent St Johnstone again. Arguably Sunderland’s best defender during pre-season so far. Tom Beadling Replaced Love and made some good overlapping runs as the Black Cats tried to stage a comeback. Darron Gibson Caught out as St Johnstone broke once or twice but moved it well enough. Ethan Robson Final substitute replacing Ndong. Had no teal time or opportunity to make any impact. Elliot Embleton Started wider right than usual and looked comfortable in possession, winning the ball well as the half progressed. George Honeyman High tempo performance from the youngster but a second half filled with changes meant the tempo was poor and few attackers were able to shine. Joel Asoro Made little impression on the right wing before moving into a central position. Pace prominent again but couldn’t break free of the St Johnstone defence. Josh Maja Moved out to the left and coped well physically, just unable to open up the opponents or get into a shooting position.

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“The only excuse I’ll give to the players is that they’ve had a tough week with training so fatigue may have played a part, but that’s still no excuse because they have to have a desire to be better and stop the opposition from playing.
“There’s good players here on the ball and that’s not a problem, but it’s what we do without it that will be the problem throughout the season if we’re not careful.
“It’s no coincidence that when the young lads came on they had a desire and a hunger to run around and make an impact on the game – if don't do that and work hard at any level of football anybody could play.  crawl
“It’s an ingredient the players have to have and the mindset has to change as we’ve been speaking about over the last couple of weeks, and if they don’t want to do it one or two players can go elsewhere.”


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Post  barrowmackem on 2017-07-16, 11:43 am

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barrowmackem wrote:SG already talking about attitude or lack of it. People not working when we don't have the ball, hinted they will be shipped if it continues.
Dont think he hinted, he told them straight out, give your all or ship out

Yep Di Cano tried that as well....i hope Grayson gives a list to Bains to get rid.

Bad apples have to go otherwise the squad is brought down
Dead right mate, looks like the rotten core is alive and well. Don't root this out the club is going nowhere. I will start with two, Kone and Lens. Anyone add any more?


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cyprussyd wrote:
barrowmackem wrote:SG already talking about attitude or lack of it. People not working when we don't have the ball, hinted they will be shipped if it continues.
Dont think he hinted, he told them straight out, give your all or ship out

Yep Di Cano tried that as well....i hope Grayson gives a list to Bains to get rid.

Bad apples have to go otherwise the squad is brought down
Dead right mate, looks like the rotten core is live and well. Don't root this out the club is going nowhere. I will start with two, Kone and Lens. Anyone add any more?
I think Kone and Lens are obvious and not getting Larsson back is a big plus.

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Post  silvers on 2017-07-16, 12:40 pm

Catts is a common denominator too..
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Post  Roker roar on 2017-07-18, 12:28 am

barrowmackem wrote:
sunderpitt wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
barrowmackem wrote:SG already talking about attitude or lack of it. People not working when we don't have the ball, hinted they will be shipped if it continues.
Dont think he hinted, he told them straight out, give your all or ship out

Yep Di Cano tried that as well....i hope Grayson gives a list to Bains to get rid.

Bad apples have to go otherwise the squad is brought down
Dead right mate, looks like the rotten core is alive and well. Don't root this out the club is going nowhere. I will start with two, Kone and Lens. Anyone add any more?
Lens was our best player on the day though. Why join the "lens out brigade" when again arguably he's been one of the pluses in pre season up to now. Kone was lost, unfit. Cattermole was jaded. There 5 in midfield were great tactics. Grayson never had a plan b. How many times have we endured that over the last few year. Reminded me of O'Neil......still only pre season however. We need to up our fitness levels drastically as the championship is more workmate than quality. One last word, the u23's are well out of their depth to me it seems......boys in a man's game still unfortunately..... Asoro was like a startled cat in front of a Robin reliant.
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barrowmackem wrote:
sunderpitt wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
barrowmackem wrote:SG already talking about attitude or lack of it. People not working when we don't have the ball, hinted they will be shipped if it continues.
Dont think he hinted, he told them straight out, give your all or ship out

Yep Di Cano tried that as well....i hope Grayson gives a list to Bains to get rid.

Bad apples have to go otherwise the squad is brought down
Dead right mate, looks like the rotten core is alive and well. Don't root this out the club is going nowhere. I will start with two, Kone and Lens. Anyone add any more?
Lens was our best player on the day though. Why join the "lens out brigade" when again arguably he's been one of the pluses in pre season up to now. Kone was lost, unfit. Cattermole was jaded. There 5 in midfield were great tactics. Grayson never had a plan b. How many times have we endured that over the last few year. Reminded me of O'Neil......still only pre season however. We need to up our fitness levels drastically as the championship is more workmate than quality. One last word, the u23's are well out of their depth to me it seems......boys in a man's game still unfortunately..... Asoro was like a startled cat in front of a Robin reliant.
mmm Lens, publically stating he wanted SAFC to be relegated so he could leave a club he has no intentions of playing for for his own gain.
He only looks good and playing ok for potential suitors he doesn't want to be here he has made that plain enough. I am not disputing he can play he obviously can but he wants away and players like that are not good in a dressing room.  Kone the same but he looks at it another way by downing tools rather than playing well for a move. Sooner those two are gone the better.

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