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Post  Lever Malone on 2017-06-17, 4:12 pm

The following article is on the BBC sports website

A proposal to scrap 45-minute halves is to be looked at by football's lawmakers to deter time-wasting.
Instead, there could be two periods of 30 minutes with the clock stopped whenever the ball goes out of play.
Lawmaking body the International Football Association Board (Ifab) says matches only see about 60 minutes of "effective playing time" out of 90.
The idea is one of several put forward in a new strategy document designed to address football's "negativities".
Another proposal would see players not being allowed to follow up and score if a penalty is saved - if the spot-kick "is not successful", play would stop and a goal-kick awarded.
Other ideas include a stadium clock linked to a referee's watch and a new rule allowing players to effectively pass to themselves or dribble the ball when taking a free-kick.
Read the full strategy document here

Where have these proposals come from?

The ideas have been put forward to Ifab by stakeholders in the game to tackle "on-field issues" and form part of what it calls its "Play Fair strategy", which has three aims of:

  • improving player behaviour and increasing respect

  • increasing playing time

  • increasing fairness and attractiveness


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Part of the problem the new document highlights is that a 90-minute match has fewer than 60 minutes of playing time because of stoppages and time-wasting.

Which plans need no law changes?

The document has put forward a number of radical ideas for discussion, but suggests some proposals can be implemented immediately without the need for law changes.
Most of these apply to trying to combat time-wasting. The document says match officials should be stricter on the rule which allows keepers to hold the ball for six seconds and be more stringent when calculating additional time.
Additionally, it suggests match officials stop their watch:
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  • from a penalty being awarded to the spot-kick being taken

  • from a goal being scored until the match resumes from the kick-off

  • from asking an injured player if he requires treatment to play restarting

  • from the referee showing a yellow or red card to play resuming

  • from the signal of a substitution to play restarting

  • from a referee starting to pace a free-kick to when it is taken


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Which plans are ready for testing?

Some of the proposals are already being tested. The idea of only allowing captains to speak to referees - to prevent match officials being mobbed - will be trialled at this summer's Confederations Cup, which starts on Saturday.
Another proposal involves changing the order of kick-taking in penalty shoot-outs, known as 'ABBA'. It is similar to a tie-break in tennis, with team A taking the first kick, then team B taking two, then team A taking two. That is a change from the traditional 'team A, team B, team A, team B' pattern.
New suggestions also include players who are being substituted leaving at the closest part of the touchline to them instead of at the halfway line.

Which ideas are up for discussion?

This is where it gets interesting. One of the proposals would allow being able to dribble straight from a free-kick to "encourage attacking play as the player who is fouled can stop the ball and then immediately continue their dribble/attacking move". Other measures include:
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  • passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick

  • a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch

  • allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving

  • a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on

  • a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball

  • a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card

  • a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty

  • the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line

  • referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play

  • a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area


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Who has come up with these proposals?

Ifab is made up of Fifa and the four British home football associations - of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - and is responsible for making the final decision on law changes.
Former English referee David Elleray is Ifab's technical director and has overseen the document.
"Referees, players, coaches and fans all agree that improving player behaviour and respect for all participants and especially match officials, increasing playing time and the game's fairness and attractiveness must be football's main priority," he said.
The next stage would involve the ideas being discussed at various meetings before decisions are taken on whether to develop them further or discard them.[/size]
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-17, 4:15 pm

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Re: Football reforms to be debated at Ifab

Post  oldblackcat on 2017-06-17, 5:05 pm

Some of my thoughts............



  • passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick  Stupid idea


  • a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch  Worth thinking about... will allow a full 45mins playing time rather than reducing each half to 30 mins


  • allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving  I suppose it speeds the game up


  • a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on    That was the original rule..was it not?


  • a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball     Simple... if it is intentional,foul.....if it's kicked at you and it's unintentional,no foul....hand to ball,foul.....ball to hand,no foul


  • a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card   Bit late for sending Maradona off...I thought if you stopped a goal with your hand you were sent off anyway?


  • a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty Instead of an indirect free kick?..Fair enough


  • the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line Does the player still get sent off for preventing a goal scoring opportunity? 


  • referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play  Don't think it makes a difference


  • a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area    I think the penalty re-taken to stop encroachment should just be enforced properly..I can't see why scoring off a re bound should be stopped




A rule I would like to see introduced is a sending off for intentional time wasting...i.e......taking the ball into the corner and obstructing the opponent from getting to it.....deliberate slow walk off when substituted, you know like shaking hands with ref and applauding fans....you're subbed run off straight away or be sent off and no sub allowed!


That should start some debate Very Happy
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Post  canary-dave on 2017-06-17, 7:39 pm

oldblackcat wrote:Some of my thoughts............



  • passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick  Stupid idea


  • a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch  Worth thinking about... will allow a full 45mins playing time rather than reducing each half to 30 mins


  • allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving  I suppose it speeds the game up


  • a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on    That was the original rule..was it not?


  • a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball     Simple... if it is intentional,foul.....if it's kicked at you and it's unintentional,no foul....hand to ball,foul.....ball to hand,no foul


  • a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card   Bit late for sending Maradona off...I thought if you stopped a goal with your hand you were sent off anyway?


  • a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty Instead of an indirect free kick?..Fair enough


  • the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line Does the player still get sent off for preventing a goal scoring opportunity? 


  • referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play  Don't think it makes a difference


  • a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area    I think the penalty re-taken to stop encroachment should just be enforced properly..I can't see why scoring off a re bound should be stopped




A rule I would like to see introduced is a sending off for intentional time wasting...i.e......taking the ball into the corner and obstructing the opponent from getting to it.....deliberate slow walk off when substituted, you know like shaking hands with ref and applauding fans....you're subbed run off straight away or be sent off and no sub allowed!


That should start some debate Very Happy

If that law was passed I can see it only being enforced on the lesser teams. The big six would still get away with murder!

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-17, 7:40 pm

oldblackcat wrote:Some of my thoughts............



  • passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick  Stupid idea - not  sure it is, makes teams have to think more about what will happen at corners?


  • a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch  Worth thinking about... will allow a full 45mins playing time rather than reducing each half to 30 mins. - They are suggesting 60 mins playing time in total anyway due to all the stopping and restarting


  • allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving  I suppose it speeds the game up - I agree


  • a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on    That was the original rule..was it not?


  • a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball     Simple... if it is intentional,foul.....if it's kicked at you and it's unintentional,no foul....hand to ball,foul.....ball to hand,no foul - I agree, and surely that is the rule now?


  • a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card   Bit late for sending Maradona off...I thought if you stopped a goal with your hand you were sent off anyway? - Me too!


  • a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty Instead of an indirect free kick?..Fair enough - I agree



  • the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line Does the player still get sent off for preventing a goal scoring opportunity?  - Good question

  • referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play  Don't think it makes a difference - It does if the ref blows while a ball from a free kick or corner is in the air. I ahve seen that and a goal disallowed because it was 'after the refereees whistle'

  • a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area    I think the penalty re-taken to stop encroachment should just be enforced properly..I can't see why scoring off a re bound should be stopped - I agree, it is part of the excitement of the game surely?



A rule I would like to see introduced is a sending off for intentional time wasting...i.e......taking the ball into the corner and obstructing the opponent from getting to it..... - I agree but not sure what can be done? Free kick for 'ungentlemanly conduct'?
deliberate slow walk off when substituted, you know like shaking hands with ref and applauding fans....you're subbed run off straight away or be sent off and no sub allowed!
- They are suggesting subs have to go off on touchline nearest to them not at half way line, so that would sort this out

That should start some debate Very Happy
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Post  Lever Malone on 2017-06-17, 8:28 pm

Hieronymus wrote:
oldblackcat wrote:Some of my thoughts............



  • passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick  Stupid idea - not  sure it is, makes teams have to think more about what will happen at corners? Can't see how this would work from a goal kick because the ball has to go out of the penalty area before it is in play.


  • a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch  Worth thinking about... will allow a full 45mins playing time rather than reducing each half to 30 mins. - They are suggesting 60 mins playing time in total anyway due to all the stopping and restarting Even though the clock may be stopped the game would still probably be less than 60 minutes and would the clubs reduce the price of tickets because the games are not 90 minutes. I very much doubt it.


  • allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving  I suppose it speeds the game up - I agree 


  • a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on    That was the original rule..was it not? Yes it was.


  • a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball     Simple... if it is intentional,foul.....if it's kicked at you and it's unintentional,no foul....hand to ball,foul.....ball to hand,no foul - I agree, and surely that is the rule now? There needs to be some clarification. The hand ball law is getting more complicated than the offside law.


  • a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card   Bit late for sending Maradona off...I thought if you stopped a goal with your hand you were sent off anyway? - Me too!


  • a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty Instead of an indirect free kick?..Fair enough - I agree



  • the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line Does the player still get sent off for preventing a goal scoring opportunity?  - Good question This is similar to the penalty try rule in rugby.

  • referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play  Don't think it makes a difference - It does if the ref blows while a ball from a free kick or corner is in the air. I ahve seen that and a goal disallowed because it was 'after the refereees whistle' Again this is the law in rugby union.

  • a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area    I think the penalty re-taken to stop encroachment should just be enforced properly..I can't see why scoring off a re bound should be stopped - I agree, it is part of the excitement of the game surely? Yes it is part of the excitement of the game except when it is a goal against us!!



A rule I would like to see introduced is a sending off for intentional time wasting...i.e......taking the ball into the corner and obstructing the opponent from getting to it..... - I agree but not sure what can be done? Free kick for 'ungentlemanly conduct'?
deliberate slow walk off when substituted, you know like shaking hands with ref and applauding fans....you're subbed run off straight away or be sent off and no sub allowed!
- They are suggesting subs have to go off on touchline nearest to them not at half way line, so that would sort this out

That should start some debate Very Happy
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Post  Nostalgic on 2017-06-17, 10:31 pm

Most of that is  rubbish IMO as it could be ironed out by change of attitude, but that would have to start at school or youth level. 

Also, if they want to stop the clock for a variety of reasons then add goal celebrations which seem to go on forever sometimes.

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