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The waiting could soon be over
cyprussyd on 2017-06-13, 3:43 pm
Derek McInnes is due on Wearside today to conclude formal negotiations to take the manager's job at Sunderland. The 45-year-old Scot is set to be unveiled within 48 hours subject to Aberdeen agreeing a compensation payment.
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McInnes on the verge - compensation all but agreed & he's due to be unveiled on Wearside shortly
Derek McInnes is due on Wearside today to conclude formal negotiations to take the manager's job at Sunderland. The 45-year-old Scot is set to be…
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The inside line on Sunderland managerial target Derek McInnes – ‘he deserves his chance at a top job in England
PHIL SMITH 11:00Monday 29 May
The one blot on Derek McInnes’s managerial copybook is his failure at Bristol City.
And it’s fair to say his placement on the Sunderland top job shortlist by Martin Bain has certainly raised a few eyebrows among the Black Cats’ faithful.
But former team-mate Peter MacDonald, who also played under McInnes, has revealed the real reason why the Aberdeen manager struggled to make an impact at Ashton Gate – and it’s all to do with broken promises and budget cuts. In January 2013, McInnes was sacked by the City board with the Robins languishing at the foot of the second tier table, without a clean sheet all season and having come off the back of a club record-equalling seven-game losing streak.
The above hardly makes for the most inspiring reading for Sunderland fans keen for a lift after a year of capitulations, heartless performances and little to no excitement under David Moyes. But all was not as it seemed at Bristol City under McInnes, according to former Rangers and St Johnstone team-mate MacDonald. He says McInnes had the rug pulled from underneath him financially and, as a result, was doomed to failure. This is not something that should define his career, believes MacDonald. “All was rosy then he had his budget cut that summer,” said 36-year-old former Dundee frontman MacDonald, currently a youth coach at Rangers.
“Del did a great job at St Johnstone then went down there and carried on where he left off. “He went on a great unbeaten run (eight games) at the end of his first season there to keep them up with a game to spare. “Then it all changed in the summer. The job he had on his hands was difficult enough without the board pulling the rug from under him. “He did not do a bad job at Bristol City.
A lot of what went on was out of his control.” In fact, while many might not think McInnes, whose side produced an impressive battling performance only to be beaten by Brendan Rodgers’ Celtic in stoppage time in the Scottish Cup final at Hampden Park on Saturday afternoon, is a good fit at the Stadium of Light, MacDonald thinks his former boss is made for it. “Del has earned his chance at a top job in England,” said MacDonald.
“He did a very good job at Saints and then Aberdeen and has shown he build a team, a club and compete for trophies. “Sunderland might be a bit of a mess from the outside looking in, but that will suit Del. “He is astute in the transfer market, can transform squads and mentalities and most of all he is a winner. “The last thing in the world he would accept is a player, or group of professionals, not giving their all. “What has gone on at Sunderland would not happen under his watch.” The budget, and the distinct lack of it, is said to have brought an end to the Moyes’ reign at the Stadium of Light. Working with little to no money is something that McInnes has become an expert at since his last spell in England.
In his first job, McInnes took over the Saints after Owen Coyle’s departure to Burnley. And while it is widely believes that Coyle did a decent job at McDiarmid Park, he had failed to win the Scottish First Division title or promotion to the top flight. That all changed when McInnes hung up the boots and moved into the Perth hot seat. “The work he did with St Johnstone as manager was outstanding,” said MacDonald, who led the line for McInnes in his first full season in 2008/09 – the year Saints secured a return to SPL football. “We went from being quite unprofessional to having sports science applied to our training, structured regimes, diets, everything – he turned the club around really. “
A lot of the success of St Johnstone now, with their Europa League runs, Scottish Cup wins and their back-to-back top six Premiership finishes under Steve Lomas and Tommy Wright is down to the ground work put in by McInnes all those years ago. “If it wasn’t for him, I don’t think St Johnstone would be the club they are today. “The same goes for the work he has done at Aberdeen. “He took a team who were fighting at the bottom of the table under Craig Brown and turned them into a force at the top of the table. “He has won things for them, too. “They have been and continue to be the second best team in Scotland – even with Rangers back where they belong. “He will not have it easy at Sunderland, but if they want a manager who knows how to organise, motivate, manage players right and win things – they’ve found the right man in Del.”
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Derek McInnes is due on Wearside today to conclude formal negotiations to take the manager's job at Sunderland. The 45-year-old Scot is set to be…
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The inside line on Sunderland managerial target Derek McInnes – ‘he deserves his chance at a top job in England
PHIL SMITH 11:00Monday 29 May
The one blot on Derek McInnes’s managerial copybook is his failure at Bristol City.
And it’s fair to say his placement on the Sunderland top job shortlist by Martin Bain has certainly raised a few eyebrows among the Black Cats’ faithful.
But former team-mate Peter MacDonald, who also played under McInnes, has revealed the real reason why the Aberdeen manager struggled to make an impact at Ashton Gate – and it’s all to do with broken promises and budget cuts. In January 2013, McInnes was sacked by the City board with the Robins languishing at the foot of the second tier table, without a clean sheet all season and having come off the back of a club record-equalling seven-game losing streak.
The above hardly makes for the most inspiring reading for Sunderland fans keen for a lift after a year of capitulations, heartless performances and little to no excitement under David Moyes. But all was not as it seemed at Bristol City under McInnes, according to former Rangers and St Johnstone team-mate MacDonald. He says McInnes had the rug pulled from underneath him financially and, as a result, was doomed to failure. This is not something that should define his career, believes MacDonald. “All was rosy then he had his budget cut that summer,” said 36-year-old former Dundee frontman MacDonald, currently a youth coach at Rangers.
“Del did a great job at St Johnstone then went down there and carried on where he left off. “He went on a great unbeaten run (eight games) at the end of his first season there to keep them up with a game to spare. “Then it all changed in the summer. The job he had on his hands was difficult enough without the board pulling the rug from under him. “He did not do a bad job at Bristol City.
A lot of what went on was out of his control.” In fact, while many might not think McInnes, whose side produced an impressive battling performance only to be beaten by Brendan Rodgers’ Celtic in stoppage time in the Scottish Cup final at Hampden Park on Saturday afternoon, is a good fit at the Stadium of Light, MacDonald thinks his former boss is made for it. “Del has earned his chance at a top job in England,” said MacDonald.
“He did a very good job at Saints and then Aberdeen and has shown he build a team, a club and compete for trophies. “Sunderland might be a bit of a mess from the outside looking in, but that will suit Del. “He is astute in the transfer market, can transform squads and mentalities and most of all he is a winner. “The last thing in the world he would accept is a player, or group of professionals, not giving their all. “What has gone on at Sunderland would not happen under his watch.” The budget, and the distinct lack of it, is said to have brought an end to the Moyes’ reign at the Stadium of Light. Working with little to no money is something that McInnes has become an expert at since his last spell in England.
In his first job, McInnes took over the Saints after Owen Coyle’s departure to Burnley. And while it is widely believes that Coyle did a decent job at McDiarmid Park, he had failed to win the Scottish First Division title or promotion to the top flight. That all changed when McInnes hung up the boots and moved into the Perth hot seat. “The work he did with St Johnstone as manager was outstanding,” said MacDonald, who led the line for McInnes in his first full season in 2008/09 – the year Saints secured a return to SPL football. “We went from being quite unprofessional to having sports science applied to our training, structured regimes, diets, everything – he turned the club around really. “
A lot of the success of St Johnstone now, with their Europa League runs, Scottish Cup wins and their back-to-back top six Premiership finishes under Steve Lomas and Tommy Wright is down to the ground work put in by McInnes all those years ago. “If it wasn’t for him, I don’t think St Johnstone would be the club they are today. “The same goes for the work he has done at Aberdeen. “He took a team who were fighting at the bottom of the table under Craig Brown and turned them into a force at the top of the table. “He has won things for them, too. “They have been and continue to be the second best team in Scotland – even with Rangers back where they belong. “He will not have it easy at Sunderland, but if they want a manager who knows how to organise, motivate, manage players right and win things – they’ve found the right man in Del.”
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Rovertsafc on 2017-06-13, 3:53 pm
Sad to say it but someone is better than no one.
He will have my backing,got to admire him for taking the job with all the shite he will have to put up with
He will have my backing,got to admire him for taking the job with all the shite he will have to put up with
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cyprussyd on 2017-06-13, 4:03 pm
He is no fool..
The stumbling block for McInnes has always thought to have been the availability - or lack of - funds to rebuild the Sunderland squad which will be unrecognisable come August from the one which finished the season last month.
Coupled with that, the Paisley-born former midfielder is thought to have been keen to ensure his initial deal at the Stadium of Light contains some form of written assurance over his position at the club and his access to funds.
The stumbling block for McInnes has always thought to have been the availability - or lack of - funds to rebuild the Sunderland squad which will be unrecognisable come August from the one which finished the season last month.
Coupled with that, the Paisley-born former midfielder is thought to have been keen to ensure his initial deal at the Stadium of Light contains some form of written assurance over his position at the club and his access to funds.
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paddocklad on 2017-06-13, 5:00 pm
Sorry to say but doesn't exactly fill me with excitement,we seem to have gone down the line with regards to a new manager along the lines of someone who won't rock the boat or ask for too much in transfers a manager who is used to working with very little funds
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Kipper on 2017-06-13, 6:15 pm
he sounds like the right man for the job to me.
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Roker roar on 2017-06-13, 6:26 pm
Christ, I thought you meant relegation again already.....lol.cyprussyd wrote:[size=31]Derek McInnes is due on Wearside today to conclude formal negotiations to take the manager's job at Sunderland. The 45-year-old Scot is set to be unveiled within 48 hours subject to Aberdeen agreeing a compensation payment.[/size]
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McInnes on the verge - compensation all but agreed & he's due to be unveiled on Wearside shortly
Derek McInnes is due on Wearside today to conclude formal negotiations to take the manager's job at Sunderland. The 45-year-old Scot is set to be…
ROKERREPORT.SBNATION.COM
The inside line on Sunderland managerial target Derek McInnes – ‘he deserves his chance at a top job in England
PHIL SMITH 11:00Monday 29 May
The one blot on Derek McInnes’s managerial copybook is his failure at Bristol City.
And it’s fair to say his placement on the Sunderland top job shortlist by Martin Bain has certainly raised a few eyebrows among the Black Cats’ faithful.
But former team-mate Peter MacDonald, who also played under McInnes, has revealed the real reason why the Aberdeen manager struggled to make an impact at Ashton Gate – and it’s all to do with broken promises and budget cuts. In January 2013, McInnes was sacked by the City board with the Robins languishing at the foot of the second tier table, without a clean sheet all season and having come off the back of a club record-equalling seven-game losing streak.
The above hardly makes for the most inspiring reading for Sunderland fans keen for a lift after a year of capitulations, heartless performances and little to no excitement under David Moyes. But all was not as it seemed at Bristol City under McInnes, according to former Rangers and St Johnstone team-mate MacDonald. He says McInnes had the rug pulled from underneath him financially and, as a result, was doomed to failure. This is not something that should define his career, believes MacDonald. “All was rosy then he had his budget cut that summer,” said 36-year-old former Dundee frontman MacDonald, currently a youth coach at Rangers.
“Del did a great job at St Johnstone then went down there and carried on where he left off. “He went on a great unbeaten run (eight games) at the end of his first season there to keep them up with a game to spare. “Then it all changed in the summer. The job he had on his hands was difficult enough without the board pulling the rug from under him. “He did not do a bad job at Bristol City.
A lot of what went on was out of his control.” In fact, while many might not think McInnes, whose side produced an impressive battling performance only to be beaten by Brendan Rodgers’ Celtic in stoppage time in the Scottish Cup final at Hampden Park on Saturday afternoon, is a good fit at the Stadium of Light, MacDonald thinks his former boss is made for it. “Del has earned his chance at a top job in England,” said MacDonald.
“He did a very good job at Saints and then Aberdeen and has shown he build a team, a club and compete for trophies. “Sunderland might be a bit of a mess from the outside looking in, but that will suit Del. “He is astute in the transfer market, can transform squads and mentalities and most of all he is a winner. “The last thing in the world he would accept is a player, or group of professionals, not giving their all. “What has gone on at Sunderland would not happen under his watch.” The budget, and the distinct lack of it, is said to have brought an end to the Moyes’ reign at the Stadium of Light. Working with little to no money is something that McInnes has become an expert at since his last spell in England.
In his first job, McInnes took over the Saints after Owen Coyle’s departure to Burnley. And while it is widely believes that Coyle did a decent job at McDiarmid Park, he had failed to win the Scottish First Division title or promotion to the top flight. That all changed when McInnes hung up the boots and moved into the Perth hot seat. “The work he did with St Johnstone as manager was outstanding,” said MacDonald, who led the line for McInnes in his first full season in 2008/09 – the year Saints secured a return to SPL football. “We went from being quite unprofessional to having sports science applied to our training, structured regimes, diets, everything – he turned the club around really. “
A lot of the success of St Johnstone now, with their Europa League runs, Scottish Cup wins and their back-to-back top six Premiership finishes under Steve Lomas and Tommy Wright is down to the ground work put in by McInnes all those years ago. “If it wasn’t for him, I don’t think St Johnstone would be the club they are today. “The same goes for the work he has done at Aberdeen. “He took a team who were fighting at the bottom of the table under Craig Brown and turned them into a force at the top of the table. “He has won things for them, too. “They have been and continue to be the second best team in Scotland – even with Rangers back where they belong. “He will not have it easy at Sunderland, but if they want a manager who knows how to organise, motivate, manage players right and win things – they’ve found the right man in Del.”
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cyprussyd on 2017-06-13, 7:12 pm
McInnes initially had concerns over Sunderland’s financial plight, and he is likely to get a tiny transfer budget so will hunt for bargains north of the border and in the Football League to revitalise the Black Cats.
He will bring his No2 Tony Docherty with him.
The £40m Premier League parachute payments Sunderland are due will go on covering the club’s wage bill, and the £30m fee from Everton for keeper Jordan Pickford towards clearing £69m in bank debts.
The situation McInnes inherits is further complicated by owner Ellis Short appointing a broker to sell the club, with early interest from a German consortium.
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The 45-year-old is set to move for a £1m fee despite his concerns over relegated Black Cats' lack of transfer funds
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He will bring his No2 Tony Docherty with him.
The £40m Premier League parachute payments Sunderland are due will go on covering the club’s wage bill, and the £30m fee from Everton for keeper Jordan Pickford towards clearing £69m in bank debts.
The situation McInnes inherits is further complicated by owner Ellis Short appointing a broker to sell the club, with early interest from a German consortium.
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cyprussyd on 2017-06-13, 7:22 pm
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paddocklad on 2017-06-13, 7:36 pm
Is this how far we have fallen that we cannot attract anyone of any pedigree the mags get Benitez we get MCginess you could not make it up how low is this yank going to drag us down just hope his six pieces of silver were worth it
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Kipper on 2017-06-13, 7:56 pm
give the bloke a chance (not short)paddocklad wrote:Is this how far we have fallen that we cannot attract anyone of any pedigree the mags get Benitez we get MCginess you could not make it up how low is this yank going to drag us down just hope his six pieces of silver were worth it
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paddocklad on 2017-06-13, 8:02 pm
It's not him personally it's the ambition shown by the club but I fear he will be gone by Christmas
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cyprussyd on 2017-06-13, 8:18 pm
We are where we are, who Newcastle have is an irrelevance and I'm quite pleased we have this man in. We have been asking for years for a clean start, indeed many wanted relegation to have one and here it is.
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cyprussyd on 2017-06-13, 8:21 pm
As Sunderland prepare to unveil Derek McInnes as the new manager at the Stadium of Light, reports suggest assistant manager Paul Bracewell and Chief Football Officer Simon Wilson have been told to leave the club; and Sebastian Larsson's agent indicates his client is holding on to make a decision over whether to accept a contract extension at the club.
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vinkel on 2017-06-13, 8:26 pm
I will reserve judgment on this, to be honest i am not overly impressed with him. Would love to be proved wrong, only time will tell. What i am looking to , is the prospect of Short going. Now that will be a good day.
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Roker roar on 2017-06-13, 10:53 pm
Newcastle wouldn't have benitez if it wasn't for the fact they got him whilst still in the premiership.....paddocklad wrote:Is this how far we have fallen that we cannot attract anyone of any pedigree the mags get Benitez we get MCginess you could not make it up how low is this yank going to drag us down just hope his six pieces of silver were worth it
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sunderpitt on 2017-06-14, 8:03 am
vinkel wrote:I will reserve judgment on this, to be honest i am not overly impressed with him. Would love to be proved wrong, only time will tell. What i am looking to , is the prospect of Short going. Now that will be a good day.
Well we have tried formerly successful well known managers, so i guess we have notjing to lose by trying achieved very little, non-entity
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cretanmakem on 2017-06-14, 9:02 am
A bit harsh , this guy is being given a golden opportunity , Di Canio and Poyet had done nothing of note prior , maybe third time lucky for us . We are no longer a BIG club , yes we have the support but in EVERY other aspect our club is a bloody shambles .sunderpitt wrote:vinkel wrote:I will reserve judgment on this, to be honest i am not overly impressed with him. Would love to be proved wrong, only time will tell. What i am looking to , is the prospect of Short going. Now that will be a good day.
Well we have tried formerly successful well known managers, so i guess we have notjing to lose by trying achieved very little, non-entity
I hope he comes in feks the first team off and uses the under 23s and cheapo buys from ginga land to consolidate our championship place , then slowly builds a squad ready for the Premier down the line . No Sunderland supporter can possibly expect a known name to want this poison chalice , Short has ensured that with a turnover of managers beyond the ridiculous .
I for one wish him well , he has a bloody tough job ahead of him .
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cyprussyd on 2017-06-14, 9:31 am
For most of last season I was told to get real when I kept on hoping we would stay up.
Well maybe its time for everyone to get real, many are calling the possible appointment of Mclinnes but who the hell do you think we are, yes a massive club to us but a newly relegated club with no money massive debts and a owner who wants out.
I'm surprised that anyone would want to come.
Well maybe its time for everyone to get real, many are calling the possible appointment of Mclinnes but who the hell do you think we are, yes a massive club to us but a newly relegated club with no money massive debts and a owner who wants out.
I'm surprised that anyone would want to come.
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Kipper on 2017-06-14, 9:50 am
Last 2 posts: Nail; head. McInness has a great record getting people to "over-perform" against expectations, on limited budgets. Exactly what we need. Can't hope for any more. Rather him than the likes of Harry Rednapp or Roy Hodgson- well known established managers etc.
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Roker roar on 2017-06-14, 10:50 am
On the other hand it could be a while.
June 14, 2017
Aberdeen's new major shareholder Dave Cormack says Sunderland have not been granted permission to speak to Derek McInnes.
June 14, 2017
Aberdeen's new major shareholder Dave Cormack says Sunderland have not been granted permission to speak to Derek McInnes.
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mackem72 on 2017-06-14, 11:09 am
here we go again - at this rate league 1 here we come
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Footie73 on 2017-06-14, 11:27 am
good pointRoker roar wrote:Newcastle wouldn't have benitez if it wasn't for the fact they got him whilst still in the premiership.....paddocklad wrote:Is this how far we have fallen that we cannot attract anyone of any pedigree the mags get Benitez we get MCginess you could not make it up how low is this yank going to drag us down just hope his six pieces of silver were worth it
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Footie73 on 2017-06-14, 11:28 am
Kipper wrote:
Last 2 posts: Nail; head. McInness has a great record getting people to "over-perform" against expectations, on limited budgets. Exactly what we need. Can't hope for any more. Rather him than the likes of Harry Rednapp or Roy Hodgson- well known established managers etc.
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Roker roar on 2017-06-14, 11:39 am
It's going to happen regardless of who comes in. No money to spend and a really poor squad, a owner that wants out, Martin bain who clearly hasn't got a f*cking clue what he's doing. Even the u23's are desparate to jump ship it seems. What a Great time to follow safc.mackem72 wrote:here we go again - at this rate league 1 here we come
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Footie73 on 2017-06-14, 11:47 am
Thank God I was taught to look for positives and never think I can see into the future.Roker roar wrote:It's going to happen regardless of who comes in. No money to spend and a really poor squad, a owner that wants out, Martin bain who clearly hasn't got a f*cking clue what he's doing. Even the u23's are desparate to jump ship it seems. What a Great time to follow safc.mackem72 wrote:here we go again - at this rate league 1 here we come
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