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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-09, 3:16 pm

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Billy D wrote:Well all that fuss & rhetoric & none of you can be arsed to comment on the result.  Suspect
My opinion is they will do a deal with the DUP which will take May over the line.
I expect another election by early next year.

May has been a car crash & has left the country in uncertainty & disarray.
Strong & stable. Laughing
Well Billy this result has left the country in the same boat as Safc, well and truly in the shit. Both have leaders that need to go.
Why on earth should Corbyn go?
Exactly! Corbyn is now the labour party's biggest asset!. The largest swing to Labour since 1945 and May herself said it woudl be a disaster if she lost 6 seats, when she lost 12 and Labour won 29. Given the position 7 weeks ago this is totally remarkable and almost all down to the Labour leader and his egalitarian manifesto that rang true with many voters. Very Happy
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Post  vinkel on 2017-06-09, 3:28 pm

cyprussyd wrote:
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Billy D wrote:Well all that fuss & rhetoric & none of you can be arsed to comment on the result.  Suspect
My opinion is they will do a deal with the DUP which will take May over the line.
I expect another election by early next year.

May has been a car crash & has left the country in uncertainty & disarray.
Strong & stable. Laughing
Well Billy this result has left the country in the same boat as Safc, well and truly in the shit. Both have leaders that need to go.
Why on earth should Corbyn go?
When i say both leaders need to go i refer to May and Short.

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-09, 5:02 pm

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Billy D wrote:Well all that fuss & rhetoric & none of you can be arsed to comment on the result.  Suspect
My opinion is they will do a deal with the DUP which will take May over the line.
I expect another election by early next year.

May has been a car crash & has left the country in uncertainty & disarray.
Strong & stable. Laughing
Well Billy this result has left the country in the same boat as Safc, well and truly in the shit. Both have leaders that need to go.
Why on earth should Corbyn go?
When i say both leaders need to go i refer to May and Short.
And both could be ousted by Germans like

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-09, 5:58 pm

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Billy D wrote:Well all that fuss & rhetoric & none of you can be arsed to comment on the result.  Suspect
My opinion is they will do a deal with the DUP which will take May over the line.
I expect another election by early next year.

May has been a car crash & has left the country in uncertainty & disarray.
Strong & stable. Laughing
Well Billy this result has left the country in the same boat as Safc, well and truly in the shit. Both have leaders that need to go.
Why on earth should Corbyn go?
When i say both leaders need to go i refer to May and Short.
You are forgiven Very Happy
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Post  vinkel on 2017-06-09, 6:24 pm

Hieronymus wrote:
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cyprussyd wrote:
vinkel wrote:
Billy D wrote:Well all that fuss & rhetoric & none of you can be arsed to comment on the result.  Suspect
My opinion is they will do a deal with the DUP which will take May over the line.
I expect another election by early next year.

May has been a car crash & has left the country in uncertainty & disarray.
Strong & stable. Laughing
Well Billy this result has left the country in the same boat as Safc, well and truly in the shit. Both have leaders that need to go.
Why on earth should Corbyn go?
When i say both leaders need to go i refer to May and Short.
You are forgiven Very Happy
Obviously you were still sleep starved when you misinterpreted me.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-09, 7:22 pm

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Post  Nostalgic on 2017-06-09, 7:47 pm

Now that she has gone with the DUP the one border in Ireland will be the key to Brexit.  Like it or not it is their biggest bargaining chip to protect their agricultural subsidies within Europe.  I wins, England loses. Tress getting that by her landowner supporters will be interesting.

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Post  Nostalgic on 2017-06-09, 9:06 pm

Just watched Labour candidate's winning speech in Kensington, of all places.  A brilliant win by 20 votes.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-09, 10:22 pm

Nostalgic wrote:Now that she has gone with the DUP the one border in Ireland will be the key to Brexit.  Like it or not it is their biggest bargaining chip to protect their agricultural subsidies within Europe.  I wins, England loses. Tress getting that by her landowner supporters will be interesting.
There is a bigger problem in that restarting the NI power sharing talks are dependent on the UK central government being impartial, so if the DUP are 'in bed' with the Tories then Sinnfein is unlikely  to be willing to negotiate a deal, and the people of NI will be in limbo, with no working government. That surely is not acceptable to anyone in Northern Ireland or the rest of the UK?  It certainly is adding to the complexity of the situation we find ourselves in today.
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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-06-09, 10:25 pm

I am a long term Labour supporter sucker for lost causes (e.g. Sunderland)

Now I have to admit I thought Corbyn was a liability I guess I was wrong 

Voters liked the retired friendly geography teacher ( who has some good ideas) over the Maybot
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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-09, 10:53 pm

sunderpitt wrote:I am a long term Labour supporter sucker for lost causes (e.g. Sunderland)

Now I have to admit I thought Corbyn was a liability I guess I was wrong 

Voters liked the retired friendly geography teacher ( who has some good ideas) over the Maybot
Telt ya!

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-09, 11:12 pm

My hope,my guess is.

A front bench reshuffle with moderates joining to make it a more acceptable party and a united party.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-09, 11:47 pm

cyprussyd wrote:My hope,my guess is.

A front bench reshuffle with moderates joining to make it a more acceptable party and a united party.
For Labour? Yes, not that I call them 'moderates'! Now they scent victory quite a few of the awkward squad PLP have been quoted today saying they were wrong, both about Corbyn, and the ability of a left leaning manifesto to be attractive to voters. I now expect that some of them will come back into the fold quite quickly as Corbyn has the ability to forgive slights and is prepared to work with anyone who he feels will help him deliver the manifesto promises.
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-10, 8:10 am

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cyprussyd wrote:My hope,my guess is.

A front bench reshuffle with moderates joining to make it a more acceptable party and a united party.
For Labour? Yes, not that I call them 'moderates'! Now they scent victory quite a few of the awkward squad PLP have been quoted today saying they were wrong, both about Corbyn, and the ability of a left leaning manifesto to be attractive to voters. I now expect that some of them will come back into the fold quite quickly as Corbyn has the ability to forgive slights and is prepared to work with anyone who he feels will help him deliver the manifesto promises.
Yes Labour. Any talk of the weak, useless, unelectable Corbyn must be gone and the Blairite wing consigned to history. The hard left that many feared is not hard after all IMO just more socialist than the new labour brand.

Anyone who watched the question time special last night will have sen that the abusers are still there, that Oakshot woman was, IMO, a disgrace, bitter and twisted.

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Post  Billy D on 2017-06-10, 10:00 am

I can see trouble brewing in Ulster.
While the Unionists say that no deal has been done they admit they are in discussions.
Power sharing broke down a while ago & talks have been held to get it back on track.
The nationalist SDLP & the unionist UUP both got wiped out so NI is now a two party country.

The DUP have links to the Loyalist paramilitaries. Just like Sinn Fein do to the IRA.
So now that the Tories are now in bed with the Loyalists where does that leave the Irish Nationalists?

As for the Brexit negotiations, the last thing the DUP will want is a hard border with the Republic.
They also hold some very outdated ideals.
Anti abortion, anti gay marriage for example.
IMO, the DUP will screw May for everything they can get.
I mean lets face facts. They are not gonna prop her up out of kindness.
They see it as a way of bargaining & May is in no position to knock them back.

Sinn Fein can't side with Labour as they refuse to take their seats in the Commons.
I found her short speech after she'd been to see the Queen a tad bizarre & slightly embarrassing.
"We are the biggest party, we won the most seats & the most votes.
Only us & the Ulster Unionists can take this country forward. "
OK, so DUP have the majority in NI but in the UK as a whole they are nothing.
And furthermore, even if they do strike a deal with her she'll only have a majority of two.
It wont last two minutes. There'll be another election this year IMO.

When she called it I thought she's walk it with a landslide tbh.
But...........Her campaign was an utter car crash & once they'd published their manifesto I kind of got the feeling it was gonna be tight.
Junkers must be pissing himself. What bargaining power is Britain left with now?
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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-10, 10:31 am

Billy D wrote:I can see trouble brewing in Ulster.
While the Unionists say that no deal has been done they admit they are in discussions.
Power sharing broke down a while ago & talks have been held to get it back on track.
The nationalist SDLP & the unionist UUP both got wiped out so NI is now a two party country.

The DUP have links to the Loyalist paramilitaries. Just like Sinn Fein do to the IRA.
So now that the Tories are now in bed with the Loyalists where does that leave the Irish Nationalists?

As for the Brexit negotiations, the last thing the DUP will want is a hard border with the Republic.
They also hold some very outdated ideals.
Anti abortion, anti gay marriage for example.
IMO, the DUP will screw May for everything they can get.
I mean lets face facts. They are not gonna prop her up out of kindness.
They see it as a way of bargaining & May is in no position to knock them back.

Sinn Fein can't side with Labour as they refuse to take their seats in the Commons.
I found her short speech after she'd been to see the Queen a tad bizarre & slightly embarrassing.
"We are the biggest party, we won the most seats & the most votes.
Only us & the Ulster Unionists can take this country forward. "
OK, so DUP have the majority in NI but in the UK as a whole they are nothing.
And furthermore, even if they do strike a deal with her she'll only have a majority of two.
It wont last two minutes. There'll be another election this year IMO.

When she called it I thought she's walk it with a landslide tbh.
But...........Her campaign was an utter car crash & once they'd published their manifesto I kind of got the feeling it was gonna be tight.
Junkers must be pissing himself. What bargaining power is Britain left with now?
Spot on Billy, this situation cannot be allowed to continue for long.

The Tories have gone on about a coalition of chaos if Labour, SNP and Lib Dems got together but at least they represent a fair number of people in the UK. The DUP represent 300,000 Northern Irish and no one else (it is worrying for me that 300,000 actually voted for them given their political views!). So now we have a coalition of fanatics who care little about the vast majority of ordinary people, but only care about their own nationalist agenda, so we have a Tory party dominated by the right wing as many moderate Tories got voted out and a group of nationalist fanatics pulling the strings. It is a recipe for disaster and the Tory party need to take action sooner rather than later. All it will take is for a handful to vote against the Queens speech and May is toast. Of course that would mean we wudl ahve to have another election too, whihc might be a step too far for some right now as the British people are rather exhausted. Maybe just leave things to struggle along for a couple of months and engineer something so they can appoint a new leader in time for conference season. What a mess. And I would  be amused at the hubrs, if it was not the ordinary people of this country that continue to suffer under this Tory government.

Labour need to take this chance and start preparing for governement right now. Start building bridges with those who have apologised for being wrong about Corbyn, and get the best talent back into the shadow cabinet. Prepare a campaign of hope and prosperity, in contrast to the latest Tory campaign of fear and austerity. Labour may be in government again by Christmas. Who would have thought it just 3 months ago eh? Very Happy
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Post  barrowmackem on 2017-06-10, 10:32 am

Yes the tories made big Corbyns links with the IRA and they now want to get into bed with the DUP. Laughing stock the Tories have become. Corbyn won me over but must say if you believe in a policy and have it in your manifesto and then backtrack when it was shown it would be a vote loser as with the dementia tax stinks imo and at that point i had made my mind up. If you truly believe in a policy you stick by it unpopular or not.

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Post  sunderpitt on 2017-06-10, 11:47 am

cyprussyd wrote:
Hieronymus wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:My hope,my guess is.

A front bench reshuffle with moderates joining to make it a more acceptable party and a united party.
For Labour? Yes, not that I call them 'moderates'! Now they scent victory quite a few of the awkward squad PLP have been quoted today saying they were wrong, both about Corbyn, and the ability of a left leaning manifesto to be attractive to voters. I now expect that some of them will come back into the fold quite quickly as Corbyn has the ability to forgive slights and is prepared to work with anyone who he feels will help him deliver the manifesto promises.
Yes Labour. Any talk of the weak, useless, unelectable Corbyn must be gone and the Blairite wing consigned to history. The hard left that many feared is not hard after all IMO just more socialist than the new labour brand.

Anyone who watched the question time special last night will have sen that the abusers are still there, that Oakshot woman was, IMO, a disgrace, bitter and twisted.

What Blair the red Tory did was win elections so the left sort of put up with him. He won by and large by occupying the centre ground. This result is great....but to actually to win an overall majority we need some who voted Tory this time round.
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-10, 12:47 pm

Who would have thought it a few weeks ago, the chaotic unelectable IRS loving Corbyn is now seen as the safe pair of hands.

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Post  vinkel on 2017-06-10, 12:59 pm

I was going to say 'what now it's all over '. but it's not over is it. Time for deals and secret gatherings. And a couple of defections or by elections would really stir things up nicely.

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Post  Billy D on 2017-06-10, 3:28 pm

Just to add, Mays reshuffle has left all the same people in the top jobs.
Including the chancellor who was about to be sacked had she got her wish & the Home Secretary who barely clung on to her own seat by the steam of her kn ickers.
That just go's to show how weak as piss May is.
Corbyn has won me over. I admit I was wrong about him.
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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-10, 3:38 pm

Billy D wrote:Just to add, Mays reshuffle has left all the same people in the top jobs.
Including the chancellor who was about to be sacked had she got her wish & the Home Secretary who barely clung on to her own seat by the steam of her kn ickers.
That just go's to show how weak as piss May is.
Corbyn has won me over. I admit I was wrong about him.
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