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Re: General Election

Post  Nostalgic on 2017-06-02, 4:27 am

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Re: General Election

Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-02, 8:28 am

I'm looking forward to election night and dreading it at the same time. 

We seem so near but could still be so far and if the Conservatives win and are able to form the next government I will be devastated.

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Re: General Election

Post  sunderpitt on 2017-06-02, 9:00 am

cyprussyd wrote:I'm looking forward to election night and dreading it at the same time. 

We seem so near but could still be so far and if the Conservatives win and are able to form the next government I will be devastated.

Well I have already voted by post as I am away next week. I just hope the polls are right and Corbyn is doing as well as indicated. Who would have thought a month ago that the Maybot would have ran such an awful campaign and Corbyn would be as good in comparison
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Re: General Election

Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2017-06-02, 10:21 am

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Thanks Billy, yes very interesting indeed. Particularly the bit about propaganda and the education system. That was something that had not really occurred to me as an explanation why so many people seemed to blindly trot out the stock phrases of the right wing press, like blaming immigrants for everything, Corbyn being weak, and unelectable, and May being strong and stable, for example, despite so much evidence to the contrary. But it makes sense when you realise our schools have largely been turned into exam factories these days, with kids not taught to think for themselves, but just regurgitate what they have been told they need for their exams. So of course some of these kids grow up to know no better and take in those political messages and start believing them!
It's like he says - you keep telling someone the same thing over & over again, they gonna end up believing it no matter how wrong or bad it is.

I think this line might have been used before, “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” 

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Re: General Election

Post  TNT on 2017-06-02, 10:30 am

Doesn't matter who gets in syd the are all after the same thing, lining their pockets with our hard earned.
The Tories will destroy NHS and the working man without pausing for breath. Labour will destroy the country with all these schemes they have but not knowing how they are paying for them.
Is there a credible alternative to these two? probably not.

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-02, 10:46 am

talcnturnip wrote:Doesn't matter who gets in syd the are all after the same thing, lining their pockets with our hard earned.
The Tories will destroy NHS and the working man without pausing for breath. Labour will destroy the country with all these schemes they have but not knowing how they are paying for them.
Is there a credible alternative to these two? probably not.
And I understand that view but I honestly believe Corbyn can change that for the better.

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Post  TNT on 2017-06-02, 4:16 pm

Fair enough mate but, how is he going to pay for it?
Totally guessing but, tax those who have bothered their arse to get a job
Also this stealth tax on how much garden you have is a definite none starter for me at least, having scrimped and saved and gone without to pay for a half decent home.

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Re: General Election

Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-02, 4:19 pm

talcnturnip wrote:Fair enough mate but, how is he going to pay for it?
Totally guessing but, tax those who have bothered their arse to get a job
Also this stealth tax on how much garden you have is a definite none starter for me at least, having scrimped and saved and gone without to pay for a half decent home.
He will pay for it and its all worked out but TBH cost is no concern to me. The cash is there and always has been, its about how its spent.

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Re: General Election

Post  Billy D on 2017-06-02, 4:48 pm

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talcnturnip wrote:Fair enough mate but, how is he going to pay for it?
Totally guessing but, tax those who have bothered their arse to get a job
Also this stealth tax on how much garden you have is a definite none starter for me at least, having scrimped and saved and gone without to pay for a half decent home.
He will pay for it and its all worked out but TBH cost is no concern to me. The cash is there and always has been, its about how its spent.
Making the large multi-nationals like Costa Coffee, Pepsi, Coka Cola, et al pay their dues would be a start.
HMRC are after my sick old mam for £250 while these wankers get away with billions in tax.
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Re: General Election

Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-02, 6:22 pm

talcnturnip wrote:Fair enough mate but, how is he going to pay for it?
Totally guessing but, tax those who have bothered their arse to get a job
Also this stealth tax on how much garden you have is a definite none starter for me at least, having scrimped and saved and gone without to pay for a half decent home.
I understand the concern talc but people like us aren't the target for any potential land value tax.  It's the landed gentry and multiple property owners they are after. People who know how to use trusts and offshore tax havens so they currently pay less tax than most ordinary people on average wages do. 
 
As Syd says, the money is there and, under Labour, instead of using it to pay dividends to shareholders for privatised public services, and bonuses to bankers who caused the crash, it will go to the NHS, schools, social care and to create jobs, as we invest in national infrastructure and housing. Remember over the last 7 years of Tory government the national debt and borrowing went UP (by an extra £555 billion between 2010 and 2016), despite all the tax cuts and austerity measures that have fallen on the poorest and most vulnerable, and while millionaires have been raking it in!

And, as Billy rightly points out, don't forget the hounding of so called 'benefit fraudsters' and those who are overpaid tax credits or other benefits (through no fault of their own usually) and have to pay it back immediately it is demanded, or the cruel sanctions regime on the unemployed, while all the time the megarich and multinational corporations get away with paying a pittance towards overall UK tax revenues.

I really feel we have nothing to lose by giving Labour the chance to keep their promises, because another 5 years of Tory government will literally see people dying in their hundreds and thousands as the NHS cracks and the social care crisis bites ever deeper. And we all know its not the rich that will suffer when those events come to pass.
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Re: General Election

Post  vinkel on 2017-06-02, 6:44 pm

We are getting down to squeaky bum time. I still can't see past a tory victory, to me it's just a matter of by how much. I truly hope I am wrong. But at best they will get back in with no better
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-02, 6:57 pm

John McDonnell is certain we'll see Labour in government next week. What does everyone think?
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Post  Billy D on 2017-06-02, 7:14 pm

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talcnturnip wrote:Fair enough mate but, how is he going to pay for it?
Totally guessing but, tax those who have bothered their arse to get a job
Also this stealth tax on how much garden you have is a definite none starter for me at least, having scrimped and saved and gone without to pay for a half decent home.
I understand the concern talc but people like us aren't the target for any potential land value tax.  It's the landed gentry and multiple property owners they are after. People who know how to use trusts and offshore tax havens so they currently pay less tax than most ordinary people on average wages do. 
 
As Syd says, the money is there and, under Labour, instead of using it to pay dividends to shareholders for privatised public services, and bonuses to bankers who caused the crash, it will go to the NHS, schools, social care and to create jobs, as we invest in national infrastructure and housing. Remember over the last 7 years of Tory government the national debt and borrowing went UP (by an extra £555 billion between 2010 and 2016), despite all the tax cuts and austerity measures that have fallen on the poorest and most vulnerable, and while millionaires have been raking it in!

And, as Billy rightly points out, don't forget the hounding of so called 'benefit fraudsters' and those who are overpaid tax credits or other benefits (through no fault of their own usually) and have to pay it back immediately it is demanded, or the cruel sanctions regime on the unemployed, while all the time the megarich and multinational corporations get away with paying a pittance towards overall UK tax revenues.

I really feel we have nothing to lose by giving Labour the chance to keep their promises, because another 5 years of Tory government will literally see people dying in their hundreds and thousands as the NHS cracks and the social care crisis bites ever deeper. And we all know its not the rich that will suffer when those events come to pass.
Yes indeed.
Plus I believe in slashing foreign aid to the bare bones.
Only those who are most in need should get it.
Not countries like India who are nuclear armed but let their people starve?
Well I'm sorry but if you can afford a nuclear programme you can afford to feed your own people.
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Re: General Election

Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-02, 7:52 pm

Billy D wrote:
Hieronymus wrote:
talcnturnip wrote:Fair enough mate but, how is he going to pay for it?
Totally guessing but, tax those who have bothered their arse to get a job
Also this stealth tax on how much garden you have is a definite none starter for me at least, having scrimped and saved and gone without to pay for a half decent home.
I understand the concern talc but people like us aren't the target for any potential land value tax.  It's the landed gentry and multiple property owners they are after. People who know how to use trusts and offshore tax havens so they currently pay less tax than most ordinary people on average wages do. 
 
As Syd says, the money is there and, under Labour, instead of using it to pay dividends to shareholders for privatised public services, and bonuses to bankers who caused the crash, it will go to the NHS, schools, social care and to create jobs, as we invest in national infrastructure and housing. Remember over the last 7 years of Tory government the national debt and borrowing went UP (by an extra £555 billion between 2010 and 2016), despite all the tax cuts and austerity measures that have fallen on the poorest and most vulnerable, and while millionaires have been raking it in!

And, as Billy rightly points out, don't forget the hounding of so called 'benefit fraudsters' and those who are overpaid tax credits or other benefits (through no fault of their own usually) and have to pay it back immediately it is demanded, or the cruel sanctions regime on the unemployed, while all the time the megarich and multinational corporations get away with paying a pittance towards overall UK tax revenues.

I really feel we have nothing to lose by giving Labour the chance to keep their promises, because another 5 years of Tory government will literally see people dying in their hundreds and thousands as the NHS cracks and the social care crisis bites ever deeper. And we all know its not the rich that will suffer when those events come to pass.
Yes indeed.
Plus I believe in slashing foreign aid to the bare bones.
Only those who are most in need should get it.
Not countries like India who are nuclear armed but let their people starve?
Well I'm sorry but if you can afford a nuclear programme you can afford to feed your own people.
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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-03, 8:23 am

This thread will soon be coming to an end when the result is known. Let's hope we can then switch to talking about our new manager, wont hold my breath.

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Post  TNT on 2017-06-03, 8:54 am

The money may well be there H but, that will soon disappear when Labour nationalise everything. Were any of those in charge around when everything was nationalised? It was terrible strikes every 5 mi it's power cuts etc. etc. If or when (take your pick) Labour do win then as ever we will not feel any benefit as Corbyn and his cronies believe anywhere North of Hull is the cursed earth between Scotland and England, that has been the view of every single government that has come to power since I have voted.
I still believe that whoever gets in tax will go up and, I am fine with paying my way let's hope everyone else feels the same way.
Not being racist or sexist here but as a white male who works for a living has a car and likes a beer at the weekend I am in a minority no government has given a flying rats arse about people like me as long that is as I keep paying tax on everything.
Reckon our next manager whoever he or she is will be more welcome than any politician knocking on my door.

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Post  canary-dave on 2017-06-03, 6:15 pm

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Post  Billy D on 2017-06-03, 7:19 pm

canary-dave wrote:This is so funny, I bet May is furious that people have seen it!

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-04, 10:52 pm

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-05, 9:06 am

Well we are now in the final straight of an election that could go any way and the Manchester and London attacks have added even more uncertainty.

I have a dread that the Tories will hang on but hope and pray they dont, Thursday could be a long night and I intend to stay up until the bitter end.

Here in my little Coxhoe bubble I find it totally inconceivable that anyone would vote Conservative because all I see around me is desperation, parents worried about their children and children worried about their parents. The word austerity is not a word around me its every day life.

I see it in my doctor's surgery, when I attend A&E or the local hospital, both sadly needed in recent months. I feel very fortunate to live in a village that still retains many old values from my childhood, respect, honesty, doing the right thing, caring for neighbours, bringing children up the right way, being proud of lifes achievements without bragging or boasting about what we have or looking down at those worse off.

On Thursday I will be voting Labour not because I am a staunch Labour member but because despite all his faults Corbyn's new way is a way I associate with, I identify with in simple terms it seems a common sense honest inclusive way forward.

In my bubble I don't look into the how it will be paid for, the IRA links or the right or left agenda, I just listen and read Corbyn's way and compare it to life around me, we need a new way and only Jeremy Corbyn is offering it.

I hope with every fibre of my body that Friday morning will be a happy one.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2017-06-05, 9:20 am

cyprussyd wrote:Well we are now in the final straight of an election that could go any way and the Manchester and London attacks have added even more uncertainty.

I have a dread that the Tories will hang on but hope and pray they dont, Thursday could be a long night and I intend to stay up until the bitter end.

Here in my little Coxhoe bubble I find it totally inconceivable that anyone would vote Conservative because all I see around me is desperation, parents worried about their children and children worried about their parents. The word austerity is not a word around me its every day life.

I see it in my doctor's surgery, when I attend A&E or the local hospital, both sadly needed in recent months. I feel very fortunate to live in a village that still retains many old values from my childhood, respect, honesty, doing the right thing, caring for neighbours, bringing children up the right way, being proud of lifes achievements without bragging or boasting about what we have or looking down at those worse off.

On Thursday I will be voting Labour not because I am a staunch Labour member but because despite all his faults Corbyn's new way is a way I associate with, I identify with in simple terms it seems a common sense honest inclusive way forward.

In my bubble I don't look into the how it will be paid for, the IRA links or the right or left agenda, I just listen and read Corbyn's way and compare it to life around me, we need a new way and only Jeremy Corbyn is offering it.

I hope with every fibre of my body that Friday morning will be a happy one.
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Post  Nostalgic on 2017-06-05, 9:49 pm

Just watched Bernie Saunders on HardTalk with Stephen Sackur.  He came over as an old fashioned Socialist who had the working class people as the backbone of the country.  He opined that the Democrats lost their way over the past thirty years by going more to the centre right and aligning with the banks and corporations to drive trade agreements which has been a big cause of Trump election. 

Had he been around in Maggie's time he would have been deported to Russia.

Whatever happened to firebrand politicians?

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Post  cyprussyd on 2017-06-05, 10:15 pm

Nostalgic wrote:Just watched Bernie Saunders on HardTalk with Stephen Sackur.  He came over as an old fashioned Socialist who had the working class people as the backbone of the country.  He opined that the Democrats lost their way over the past thirty years by going more to the centre right and aligning with the banks and corporations to drive trade agreements which has been a big cause of Trump election. 

Had he been around in Maggie's time he would have been deported to Russia.

Whatever happened to firebrand politicians?
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