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Post  cyprussyd on 2016-04-12, 9:00 am

Are we seeing the demise and final days of Cameron or is this just a blip?

The Panama Papers have caused a stir but in reality Cameron has done nothing illegal and nothing most of us wouldn't do if we had the wealth. It has however highlighted and indeed confirmed what we already knew, the super rich live in a different world to the rest of us, is that really a shock.

The steel crisis is the miners all over again but, no strikes and walkouts and the government are sort of hinting at part nationalization.

The NHS and doctors strikes, are they having the same effect on public opinion?


The EU referendum for me is the real crunch point. With the government split at the top they simply cant win.

Vote out and Cameron is gone.
Vote in and what does that mean for Gove,IDS,Boris.


And if the government did fall, is Corbyn ready?

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Post  Silvers on 2016-04-12, 10:24 am

We certainly need something to change..

Corbyn's support of the IRA 'cause' will do him no favours at all.
This will rear it's head again as we near the next election.

I really don't know what will happen.
What should happen and what actually does happen remains to be seen.

As you say, these people have done nothing illegal.
It is the 'system' which is unethical.
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Post  canary-dave on 2016-04-12, 1:29 pm

silvers wrote:We certainly need something to change..

Corbyn's support of the IRA 'cause' will do him no favours at all.
This will rear it's head again as we near the next election.

I really don't know what will happen.
What should happen and what actually does happen remains to be seen.

As you say, these people have done nothing illegal.
It is the 'system' which is unethical.

See, you're falling for the media spin, Corbyn did NOT support the IRA, he called for talk rather than killing!

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Post  Nostalgic on 2016-04-12, 9:44 pm

I cannot believe the part Nationalisation, presumably after they rejected subsidies. Political survival over traditional beliefs.

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Post  Silvers on 2016-04-12, 9:53 pm

canary-dave wrote:
silvers wrote:We certainly need something to change..

Corbyn's support of the IRA 'cause' will do him no favours at all.
This will rear it's head again as we near the next election.

I really don't know what will happen.
What should happen and what actually does happen remains to be seen.

As you say, these people have done nothing illegal.
It is the 'system' which is unethical.

See, you're falling for the media spin, Corbyn did NOT support the IRA, he called for talk rather than killing!
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media spin ????????????

Hmmm........

In that case I'm sure we'll have an explanation in due time..
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Post  cyprussyd on 2016-04-13, 1:21 am

I'm not sure about the Corbyn IRA thing and there are a number of concerns about Corbyn and his politics.

I would also put myself to the right of Corbyn, indeed mare center.

That said I support him and I have been forced their by the present far right government and its constant attacks on those at the bottom of the pile. The NHS, bombing of Syria, severe austerity and many other things upset and annoy me but its the us and them attitude and attacks I cant forgive.

The next election will be IMO between a Tory party led by either Osborne or Boris and a Labour party led by Corbyn, I know many want him out but I fell out of love with all politicians because of spin, smart suits and power at all costs, I dont want another Blair or Milliband.


I may not like or agree with everything Corbyn believes in but I am sure I know what he believes in, he is honest and up front.

So my vote is an easy one.

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Post  sunderpitt on 2016-04-13, 8:35 am

As I definitely fit the bill as an old fart and usually vote labour I do think there is a problem with Corbyn.

In the early 70s there was a sit  in against my universities holdings in a firm that supported apartheid in South Africa. 
Michael Foot was supposed to speak at a labour party meeting....but instead came and spoke to those occupying the Admin block. He sat on the stairs in the foyer and engaged in a discussion for about an hour. He was absolutely brilliant and I became a big fan.

Forward on about 10 years and labour was slaughtered in the polls and Thatcher took centre stage for years. Unfortunately Corbyn has similar problems that the very erudite Foot had....
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Post  cyprussyd on 2016-04-13, 8:57 am

sunderpitt wrote:As I definitely fit the bill as an old fart and usually vote labour I do think there is a problem with Corbyn.

In the early 70s there was a sit  in against my universities holdings in a firm that supported apartheid in South Africa. 
Michael Foot was supposed to speak at a labour party meeting....but instead came and spoke to those occupying the Admin block. He sat on the stairs in the foyer and engaged in a discussion for about an hour. He was absolutely brilliant and I became a big fan.

Forward on about 10 years and labour was slaughtered in the polls and Thatcher took centre stage for years. Unfortunately Corbyn has similar problems that the very erudite Foot had....
A view held by many Sunders but, IMO, times have changed and that election and the rise of the Thatcher government played a big part in it.

I think we can safely say those at the bottom will vote Labour and those at the top Conservative.
 
The million dollar question is that big group in the middle?

I think many may not like the present government but are doing OK, nice house, steady job, some spare cash.
Its how they feel about the NHS, sleaze, austerity.

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Post  sunderpitt on 2016-04-13, 9:38 am

cyprussyd wrote:
sunderpitt wrote:As I definitely fit the bill as an old fart and usually vote labour I do think there is a problem with Corbyn.

In the early 70s there was a sit  in against my universities holdings in a firm that supported apartheid in South Africa. 
Michael Foot was supposed to speak at a labour party meeting....but instead came and spoke to those occupying the Admin block. He sat on the stairs in the foyer and engaged in a discussion for about an hour. He was absolutely brilliant and I became a big fan.

Forward on about 10 years and labour was slaughtered in the polls and Thatcher took centre stage for years. Unfortunately Corbyn has similar problems that the very erudite Foot had....
A view held by many Sunders but, IMO, times have changed and that election and the rise of the Thatcher government played a big part in it.

I think we can safely say those at the bottom will vote Labour and those at the top Conservative.
 
The million dollar question is that big group in the middle?

I think many may not like the present government but are doing OK, nice house, steady job, some spare cash.
Its how they feel about the NHS, sleaze, austerity.


The latest bit of sleaze to come from the tories is about why the proposals of the Leveson cttee have not been carried out, i.e. some sort of independent watch dog...it appears the tory minister in charge of this had a prostitute as a girlfriend but the papers did not print it as long as he did not implement Levenson
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