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Post  cyprussyd on 2016-03-17, 8:51 am

Reading through the news and in particular social media it is becoming clear why Trump is doing so well in the USA and indeed its not beyond the realms of possibility that a Trump like figure could do well here in the UK.

Social media is full of anti Muslim and immigrant, we must stop all these Syrians, they are full of terrorists, rapists and scrounges.
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Yes I can see that.

They should all go back home
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So they should.

Here at home the relentless attack on those at the bottom of the pile is justified, scroungers, workshy low life
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When did we become such an uncaring cruel country.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with ambition, enterprise, wealth, success, advancement but it is possible to have all these things but still have compassion for those at the bottom of the pile, those fleeing persecution.

Come on, lets not become like the USA and see good in someone like Trump.
And lets not fall for the lies, spin and smooth talking of Cameron and Co.

We are better than that.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2016-03-17, 9:49 am

clapy clapy clapy clapy clapy

Yes I hope we are, and yet with a mere 24% of the voting public behind them, and a thin majority of only 12 seats, this cruel government and their media paymasters have been allowed to relentlessly attack the poor, the vulnerable, the needy old, the young, the jobless, the sick, the homeless, traumatised and displaced refugees and those public servants who try to help all of these; the police, doctors, nurses, social workers and others. And this is because so many people fell for the lies and spin just like many Americans have for Trump's vile utterings. 

So maybe the UK is more like the USA than any of us would wish for and, sadly, in times of hardship and recession, self-interest and what benefits 'me' seems to take precedence over what benefits EVERYONE. 

But thankfully, many people do not feel this way, and I still have hope the people of Britain have begun to see through the lies and shallowness and, in my eyes, downright dangerous policies of this government and will throw them out on their ear, sooner rather than later. Evil or Very Mad
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Post  canary-dave on 2016-03-17, 11:19 am

What H said!   like

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Post  cyprussyd on 2016-03-17, 11:22 am

canary-dave wrote:What H said!   like

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Post  canary-dave on 2016-03-17, 11:24 am

cyprussyd wrote:
canary-dave wrote:What H said!   like

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Post  Black Cat Kiwi on 2016-03-17, 6:12 pm

cyprussyd wrote:
"Come on, lets not become like the USA and see good in someone like Trump.
And lets not fall for the lies, spin and smooth talking of Cameron and Co".

We are better than that.

Why not give someone new from outside the current establishment a go who has new ideas?

Whats the definition of someone trying the same approach again expecting a different result.

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Post  Nostalgic on 2016-03-17, 6:45 pm

Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
"Come on, lets not become like the USA and see good in someone like Trump.
And lets not fall for the lies, spin and smooth talking of Cameron and Co".

We are better than that.

Why not give someone new from outside the current establishment a go who has new ideas?

Whats the definition of someone trying the same approach again expecting a different result.
The last politician who tore up all treaties and agreements to start a new order along the lined that Forrest Trump is advocating ended up almost bringing the world to oblivion.

Like it or not, Trump will have to fall into line  if he is ever elected. For US to go back to what he claims he will achieve start with a minus of trillions of dollars debt. But then Hitler blamed Europe for sanctions placed on Germany after WW1, even though no-one was asking for it.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2016-03-17, 7:23 pm

Black Cat Kiwi wrote:
cyprussyd wrote:
"Come on, lets not become like the USA and see good in someone like Trump.
And lets not fall for the lies, spin and smooth talking of Cameron and Co".

We are better than that.

Why not give someone new from outside the current establishment a go who has new ideas?

Whats the definition of someone trying the same approach again expecting a different result.
I think Einstein knew the answer to that!   Very Happy

Trump is hardly outside of the current political and economic establishment in the USA;  he is a key player in the establishment of right wing, racist, homophobic and generally "red neck" views and uses his wealth to bully and browbeat any and all dissenters. IMO it is to the eternal shame of the USA that, given it was built by immigrants, its current citizens have turned it into the most bigoted, insular and protectionist country in the world. 

In the UK Jeremy Corbyn is well outside the current "establishment" hence all the negativity around him and his leadership. They are terrified that too many people will find his ideas resonate with them and that the top 1% might finally be seen for what most of them are, leeches on the rest of society. I love JC and think his hopes and dreams for the future match mine, even if many of the ideas are not that new really. I know many don't agree but my question to them is "Are you happy with what we have at present?"
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Post  cyprussyd on 2016-03-17, 7:41 pm

It may just my imagination"H" but I
feel a shift in opinion even if the media font follow that shift.

The only condemnation I have seen about his budget response has been about delivery. Ut seems that most agreed that the content was good.

I can see his message gathering support and more and more realizing that delivery is not that important.

One of the slickest I have seen at the despatch box was Margaret Thatcher.

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Post  Hieronymus on 2016-03-17, 9:03 pm

cyprussyd wrote:It may just my imagination"H" but I
feel a shift in opinion even if the media font follow that shift.

The only condemnation I have seen about his budget response has been about delivery. Ut seems that most agreed that the content was good.

I can see his message gathering support and more and more realizing that delivery is not that important.

One of the slickest I have seen at the despatch box was Margaret Thatcher.
Aye you may be right Syd, she was sharp as a tack that's for sure. But you know what is shocking, even Thatcher would not have tried to implement some of the policies Cameron and Osborne are pushing!

Personally I want my representatives in government to demonstrate substance over style, honesty over lies and principles over spin, every time.
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Post  Nostalgic on 2016-03-18, 1:17 am

As this thread combines UK and US politics and personalities I can recommend looking at Gov Henry Wallace who had UK connections, built up a company, and became Vice President to Franklin Roosevelt but suffered for his social leanings.

The American Dream (whatever that is) and back stabbing politics dished up to one person.

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