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Post  cyprussyd on 2015-11-24, 11:46 am

Turkey 'shoots down Russian warplane on Syria border'

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The Turkish military has reportedly shot down a Russian military aircraft on the border with Syria.
Russia's defence ministry said an Su-24 had crashed on Syrian territory after being hit by fire from the ground, and that its pilots had managed to eject.
But Turkish military officials said Turkish F-16s had shot down the plane after repeatedly warning its pilots they were violating Turkish airspace.
Video showed the jet crashing in a rebel-held area of Latakia province.
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It is the first time a Russian aircraft has crashed in Syria since Moscow launched air strikes against opponents of President Bashar al-Assad in late September.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov described the incident as "very serious", but cautioned that it was too early to draw conclusions.
The Nato military alliance, to which Turkey belongs, said it was following the situation "closely" and was in contact with the Turkish authorities.

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The Russian defence ministry confirmed on Tuesday morning that a Russian Su-24 had "crashed on Syrian territory, having been hit from the ground" while it was flying at an altitude of 6,000m (19,685ft).
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Image copyrightReutersImage captionTurkey's military said the Russian warplane was warned that it was violating Turkish airspace[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Image copyrightHABERTURK TV CHANNEL VIA EPAImage captionBut Russia's defence ministry said it could prove the aircraft never left Syrian airspace
"Efforts are being made to ascertain what happened to the pilots. According to preliminary reports, the pilots have managed to self-eject," the ministry was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.
The ministry stressed that "throughout its flight, the aircraft remained exclusively above Syrian territory", adding: "Objective monitoring data shows it."





A feared incident - Jonathan Marcus, BBC defence correspondent


This is exactly the kind of incident that many have feared since Russia launched its air operations in Syria. The dangers of operating near to the Turkish border have been all too apparent. Turkish planes have already shot down at least one Syrian air force jet and possibly a helicopter as well.
Russia insists that its warplane did not violate Turkish air space. So, was the Russian pilot's navigation wrong? Questions will also be asked about the readiness of the Turks to open fire.
It suggests that the much discussed arrangements to avoid incidents between warplanes over Syria are inadequate. The Turkish authorities will no doubt claim that such arrangements do not cover the approaches to their own airspace where tried and tested procedures should apply.
There are conflicting reports as to whether it was ground fire or Turkish jets that brought down the Russian plane. Air operations in the crowded skies over Syria just got a good deal more complicated. The only mitigating factor is that initial reports suggest that two parachutes were seen so the Russian crew at least got out of their stricken aircraft. Expect diplomatic fireworks.




However, the Turkish military said two F-16s on patrol had fired on an unidentified aircraft at 09:24 (07:24 GMT) after warning it 10 times over five minutes about violating Turkish airspace over the town of Yayladagi, in Hatay province.
It noted that the F-16s had intervened "in accordance with the rules of engagement", which were changed after Syria shot down a Turkish plane in 2012.
The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the jet had crashed in the mountainous Jabal Turkmen area of Latakia, where air strikes and fighting between rebels and Syrian government forces had been reported earlier on Tuesday.
Qatar-based Al Jazeera TV quoted an ethnic Turkmen rebel group as saying it had captured one of the Su-24's two pilots and were "looking for the other".
A video posted online by rebels meanwhile appeared to show a Russian pilot immobile on the ground, either badly wounded or dead.
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Russian military helicopters were searching for the pilots near the crash site in the predominantly Turkmen Bayir Bucak area, Turkey's Dogan news agency reported.
Russian aircraft have flown hundreds of sorties over northern Syria since September. Moscow says they have targeted only "terrorists", but activists say its strikes have mainly hit Western-backed rebel groups.
Turkey, a vehement opponent of Syria's president, has warned against violations of its airspace by Russian and Syrian aircraft.
Last month, Ankara said Turkish F-16s had intercepted a Russian jet that crossed its border and two Turkish jets had been harassed by an unidentified Mig-29.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Image copyrightReutersImage captionRussian Su-24 aircraft based in Latakia province have flown hundreds of sorties over Syria[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Image copyrightAPImage captionTurkey had warned Russia not to support a Syrian government offensive on Turkmen villages
The Turkish foreign ministry also summoned the Russian ambassador last week to warn him that there would be "serious consequences" if the Russian air force did not immediately stop bombing "civilian Turkmen villages" in Bayir Bucak.
In a separate development on Tuesday, three Russian journalists were lightly wounded on Monday while driving in a convoy towards the Syrian government army frontline near Dagmashliya, in north-western Syria. Their vehicles came under fire, apparently from TOW anti-tank missiles.
Russian media named them as Tass correspondent Alexander Yelistratov, Russia Today Arabic Service TV correspondent Sargon Khadaya and RT English correspondent Roman Kosarev.

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Post  vinkel on 2015-11-24, 5:05 pm

I was having lunch today when i saw the headlines about the Russian military jet. I thought i would hoy up a post " has WW3 started " then i saw you had beat me to it. So is it great minds think alike, or dunces united.

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Post  Nostalgic on 2015-11-24, 7:51 pm

Hopefully this poke in the eye for Putin will make him see the sense of joining the rest of the world in sorting IS and then Syria's problems. Without Russian intervention Assad could well have been gone in the next few months.  

He just does not want to see that the world is not against Russia.

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